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  • What's the appropriate explanation for the supernatural (holy spirit, miracles, etc.) if there's no god?

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  • You can't make anything true through argument. Spiritualism has a burden of proof that has never been met. There are no excuses for this, and until you can meet that burden, there is no further discussion to be had.

  • What's the appropriate explanation for the supernatural (holy spirit, miracles, etc.) if there's no god?

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  • Much of the church's insistence that there has to be a god to explain things is based on Aristotle. He gave them the tools to construct logical constructs in which faulty assumptions about reality are used to say "I want there to be a god, therefore this thought process is all the proof I need." For example, Aquinas' "Five Ways" are a classic demonstration of how to misuse Aristotlean physics to justify belief in a god.

    I'm definitely not going to debate philosophy with you. It's a waste of time.

    I will continue to challenge the validity of spiritual thinking until such time as anyone can objectively demonstrate the existence of anything spiritual. I will follow the evidence, and complaints about how evidence doesn't allow for spiritual answers just reaffirm the conclusion that it's not based on reality. It's just an irrational perspective with no basis beyond wishful or magical thinking.

  • What's the appropriate explanation for the supernatural (holy spirit, miracles, etc.) if there's no god?

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  • How is a religious experience not a physical phenomenon? Define it for me, please, with sources where possible. How did you eliminate brain activity, such as with the god helmet?

    The Greek tradition of physics that Christianity adopted was established by Aristotle, not Epicurus. If they'd chosen to follow the evidence instead of inference, the world would look very different today. You can't think anything into existence the way Aristotle proposed. He had good ideas, but his approach to physics was completely wrong.

  • What's the appropriate explanation for the supernatural (holy spirit, miracles, etc.) if there's no god?

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  • That's because we're conditioned to turn to religious explanations when we don't understand, and that's fallacious thinking. It's called the argument from ignorance.

    At no point at any time in all of history has a religious answer to physical phenomenon been validated as the correct answer. It has been accepted as the default assumption because of the dominance of religion in society, but that doesn't make the answer true. No answer is true just because it's popular or traditional.

  • What's the appropriate explanation for the supernatural (holy spirit, miracles, etc.) if there's no god?

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  • I don't have an account. I simply don't believe theirs. You can't use "I don't know" to then say "therefore this is the answer."

  • What's the appropriate explanation for the supernatural (holy spirit, miracles, etc.) if there's no god?

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  • What miracles? What supernatural?

    These are all things we don't understand. They literally mean we don't know how or why things happened the way they did. You can't use "I don't know" to claim you therefore know the answer.

    When someone claims a god is responsible, the only appropriate response is "how do you know that?" When the answer comes back "what else could it be?" I respond with "literally anything else." They must still meet their burden of proof before they can claim victory for their answer.

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    The Supreme Court Looks Likely to Give Religious Groups Another Win

    newrepublic.com /article/193402/wisconsin-catholic-charities-supreme-court-tax-exemptions-religious-groups
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    Why the Christian Right Demonizes Discourse

    newrepublic.com /article/190049/evangelical-roots-censorship-critical-thinking
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    2024 is the year MAGA broke heterosexuality

    www.salon.com /2024/12/27/tradwives-incels-and-cat-ladies-the-year-maga-broke-heterosexuality/

  • Besides your belief that there is no higher power, what are your thoughts on supernatural phenomena?

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  • If you don't have anything to offer, don't waste my time. I'm not interested in someone else's explanation, and I know the definition. I want to see how you justify the claim. I'll bet a thousand dollars cash that you can't back it up. I'm confident in making that bet because if you could, you'd be the first.

  • Besides your belief that there is no higher power, what are your thoughts on supernatural phenomena?

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  • Okay, I'm listening. Show me the evidence. Explain the supernatural to me.

  • Besides your belief that there is no higher power, what are your thoughts on supernatural phenomena?

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  • Why would I be interested in alien ghost stories? Cattle mutilation and alien abduction aren't credible examples of the supernatural.

  • Besides your belief that there is no higher power, what are your thoughts on supernatural phenomena?

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  • I'll believe anything you tell me, including gods and magic, as long as you can present evidence appropriate to your claim. Anyone who wants me to believe what they're saying about anything divine or supernatural had better be able to back it up, or else I'm going to laugh in their face.

  • What was the strategic purpose of bible when it was being written?

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  • To record their version of "truth." There was no distinction between fact and fiction, they were written to establish the "official" history with the political and religious (again, no distinction) agenda they wanted people to follow. The idea that history should involve accurate facts of what actually happened is a relatively new phenomenon in human culture.

    Did the people of the time understand that nuance? I honestly don't know. I assume most of the uneducated masses didn't, which is why the elites wrote that way.

  • Tracing the Roots of the Christian Nationalist Movement That’s Influencing Modern Politics

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  • What a bizarre thing to say.

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    Tracing the Roots of the Christian Nationalist Movement That’s Influencing Modern Politics

    projects.propublica.org /christian-nationalism-origins/
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    A Christian Gun Cult Holds a Trump Festival

    www.thenation.com /article/society/rod-iron-freedom-festival-moon/

  • White Evangelicals Must Lose in November

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  • Your trolling is tiresome. I'm done pretending you're discussing anything with any integrity.

  • White Evangelicals Must Lose in November

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  • Biden is the one deciding US policy, and the responsibility for our foreign policy failures rest with him. There are two viable candidates running to replace him. One candidate promises a less conciliatory approach with Netanyahu, the other promises to help escalate the atrocities.

    Which do you think will get you closer to your stated goals?

    When you start engaging in good faith, you will get good faith in return.

  • White Evangelicals Must Lose in November

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  • No, your second point doesn't make your case. Biden isn't running now, or did you forget? Not to mention, it doesn't change anything about what the author has to say about the political goals of evangelicals and how Trump would deliver for them, which is the topic of the article.

    I hear Putin calling. You better check and see what he wants.

  • White Evangelicals Must Lose in November

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  • Nevermind that. He said he wanted to call out the military on anyone who didn't vote for him on live television. Why isn't the NYT reporting on that?

    Oh, it's just Trump!

    At this point, I'm fairly convinced that the people trying to argue that we shouldn't support Democrats because of a single issue, no matter how important that issue, are Russian assets.

  • White Evangelicals Must Lose in November

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  • You still haven't explained how the author is wrong here. All you've told me is why you think the author is icky.

    My point stands.

  • White Evangelicals Must Lose in November

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  • ...I'm not seeing anything explaining how the author is wrong. Ad hominem is not an argument.

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    White Evangelicals Must Lose in November

    johnpavlovitz.substack.com /p/white-evangelicals-must-lose-in-november

  • Pro-Trump Christian nationalists are on tour to recruit election workers

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  • Okay, but what about the not-kind things Jesus said? How are the people following those words somehow not Christian?

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    Pro-Trump Christian nationalists are on tour to recruit election workers

    www.npr.org /2024/10/04/nx-s1-5123626/christian-nationalist-election-workers-lance-wallnau
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    How ‘Left Behind’ Got Left Behind

    www.thebulwark.com /p/how-left-behind-got-left-behind
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    Talking to a brick wall | Jesus and Mo

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    To understand JD Vance, you need to meet the “TheoBros”

    www.motherjones.com /politics/2024/09/theobros-jd-vance-christian-nationalism/
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    In an Unprecedented Move, Ohio Is Funding the Construction of Private Religious Schools

    www.propublica.org /article/ohio-taxpayer-money-funding-private-religious-schools
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    The Christian Nationalist Vision for America

    tomdispatch.com /project-2025/
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    The man who set the stage for an imperial presidency if Trump wins

    www.salon.com /2024/07/26/the-man-set-the-stage-for-an-imperial-presidency-if-wins/
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    Trump backers say he shares their Christian faith and values

    apnews.com /video/christianity-ohio-conservatism-abortion-district-of-columbia-1f073247b04b475c9a91604549b25909
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    'There's been so many' - Pedophile priest's eye-opening testimony in church sex abuse case

    www.wwltv.com /article/news/investigations/losing-faith/new-orleans-archdiocese-church-sex-abuse-lawrence-hecker-deposition-testimony/289-df0b8a8c-62b4-47f4-af37-56e2822502f6
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    “An army of Jesus”: Inside Mike Johnson’s come-to-Jesus moment ahead of Ukraine reversal

    www.salon.com /2024/04/22/an-army-of-jesus-inside-mike-johnsons-come-to-jesus-moment-ahead-of-ukraine-reversal_partner/
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    We lost a great man today

    whyevolutionistrue.com /2024/04/19/dan-dennett-died-today/
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    Oklahoma man arrested after authorities say he threw a pipe bomb at Satanic Temple in Massachusetts

    apnews.com /article/pipe-bomb-salem-satanic-temple-e402e18befcbda603ea42450d488db15
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    The Christian Nationalist Hydra: In Era of Trump, Christian Nationalism Has Many Faces

    talkingpointsmemo.com /news/the-christian-nationalist-hydra-in-era-of-trump-christian-nationalism-has-many-faces