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«hallowed be thy Name, thy Kingdom come», that's 'the christians Aim'/Islam

We(sterners), aggressors, are still the main(~only) obstacle to 'world peace'/'a union of diversities'♪All we are saaying...♬(, are we even trying ? we could/should protect them&us)

Now on https://lemmygrad.ml/u/sousmerde_rtrdataire(, since it doesn't include the word ret*rd)

  • Ok, that's honestly weird, because the r-word simply means that they're a bit more late than others(, it comes from the french ret*rder = to delay), while mentally disabled implies that they don't have a mental world

    we don't call mentally disabled folks those in a clinical sense (except for dumb).

    And except for idiot(, mental age < 2-3 y.o.), imbecile(, 3-7 y.o.), and moron(, 7-12 y.o.), ...I genuinely don't know why the r-word was an exception out of all these terms.

    I also don't know how the r-word can rob them of anything(, just like calling someone an idiot don't seem to rob them of anything), but it manifestedly comes from a good intention.I suppose that i can't insult someone of being a son of a b*tch since that'd be insulting to sex workers, implying that the latter are "subhumans". But i suppose that an insult like "piece of shit" is ok only because a shit isn't conscious.Let's change our language to be less exclusive, why not. Let's also change the mods so that they're less of an asshole.

    Anyway, thanks for taking the time to explain all this in such a kind manner.

  • I'm technically doing ban evasion so i won't stay long, but i can't help but continue to be curious, sorry. I shouldn't insult someone with the r-word because that's ableist, i shouldn't also say as an insult that they're mentally challenged for the same reason, but i can say that they're stupid, am i right ?

    I'm not mocking you by asking this question, it may sound obvious to you but i live in France so we may not have that here( yet).I've seen that it's a slur, but i honestly don't know if the r-word extend to the word "stupid", since there's no difference between these two medical terms(, my surprise can be understood i think).

  • You're right, if other people than the ones i'm aiming the insult at are also hurt, then i shouldn't hurt them, we can do better indeed.But that kind of internet trial in his back didn't please me, as i said before i should have just ignored the post.

    It was sincerely very nice talking with you, thanks a lot :) !

  • Then i owe you an apology.

    (I still won't answer you since that'd be going further in the ban evasion, and it's too long you have better things to do, but in short they tolerate our leftism but we don't tolerate theirs, sometimes cancelling them but we need numbers, so-called "antifas" tried to cancel people like Étienne Chouard or David Rovics, yugopnik could hopefully understand your point and his tweet wasn't meant to be taken that seriously, he's just saying half-jokingly "i can't explain it otherwise because the far-right is not logical by any mean !", good quote&point from Lenine, saying that people from the far-right ought to have lost some chromosomes would be an ableist joke ?, that post isn't helpful to yugopnik in the way you're presenting it since he won't see it so that's more like talking in his back, nor is it addressed in a loving manner, i don't believe you intended to harm him though because you'd have been contented with knowing that he understood his mistake, and also because as you say you were opposing the rightist view and not the leftist individual)

    I think it's better to write that than nothing. I don't intend to come back here because in that comment i ended up complaining about the downvotes solely because the mods were scaring me, it's not an enjoyable feeling.But please take care of lemmygrad, it's an important place on Lemmy and i'm still glad that it exists.

  • I wrote a long answer(, in which i agree with a lot of things you said, it was well-written and thank you for taking such a long time), but i won't post it since you banned me.

    I just want to say as my last words that i could have banned you for saying that C.Johnstone is a liberal with midly progressive views, or that yugopnik is defending petty-bourgeois views, clearly crazy opinions. Of course i wouldn't do that because everyone makes mistakes, but i could have, and you think it couldn't happen to you but i wouldn't ask for your opinion, you'd just be banned whether it's just or not.

    Bye.

  • Then i'm allowed to insult someone by saying they're stupid, but not by saying that they're mentally challenged, otherwise it's an ableist slur, i think i got it(, not sure).

    I've been banned for that, because i'm apparently ableist, which i know i'm not but what i believe doesn't matter. I won't be coming back so you'll say good riddance i guess, bye 🫶

  • Comradeship // Freechat @lemmygrad.ml

    The "free world" banned Redfish in 2022, with every other russian medias. They banned their successor redstream and africanstream a few months ago. LONG LIVE RED CREATORS NETWORK !!!

  • At least Russia granted the long-awaited wish of south-eastern ukrainians, who fought alongside them against pro-n.a.t.o. ukrainians.And despite being righteous(, since Ukraine historically only accepted referendums benefiting it, instead of 'trusting in a better future with China'/'refusing to join those whose "friendly advices" destroyed them in 1991, along with Yugoslavia', they're owned by their capitalists/thieves, mind-controlled by the millionaire's Pravda, so much ashamed of themselves and even of their glorious past when they showed the world what ruling virtuously could look like, e.g. by even refusing hereditary genetics in favor of acquired traits, among thousands of things), russians were much more measured(, including in comparison to the blind destruction by Ukraine, according to the pro-russian propaganda at that time).

    Palestine-Israel and Russia-Ukraine-Donbass-Crimea are not the same situations.

  • Palestine @lemmy.ml

    Map from the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affair

  • https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1937720341952102414

    In primary school, we had to draw pictures for the olympics games in Beijing(, probably in 2001 when it was announced, i drew some kind of factory where they were produced from birth to become athletes since i already had pictures in mind of them mistreating children to produce champions), and i distinctly remember a teacher worried because some students were supposed to go to China ~next year for a trip(, i.i.r.c.), and she was (obviously? )convinced that such assignment endangered them, true story :/.
    And Europe is censoring the Internet(, hate speech or disinformation)(, regardless of platforms policy or even national choices). But do not worry, the Chinese People's Republic(, who hasn't bombed anyone in 40 years, something about a speck and a log,) will always need to be liberated as long as the t.v. says so. It'd have been so easy to demonize Taiwan or any other country.Still no sign of their social credit system b.t.w.Glad that they were authoritarian enough to have survived internal&external threats.

  • Other examples of "terrorist" groups that never killed anyone :

    GroupProscription DateClassificationInjured / Killed
    Animal Liberation Front (ALF)Listed under Terrorism Act 2000(, date varies by cell, widely since 2006)Proscribed terrorist organisation(, UK)Injured : Burn injuries reported (e.g. researcher burned in 1989 bomb; baby suffered flash burns and partial finger severance). Killed: None
    Earth Liberation Front (ELF)Proscribed in UK/US(, 2001–2006 period)Eco-terrorist group(, US FBI, UK Home Office)Injured : None reported. Killed : None
    Hizb ut-TahrirProscribed by UK Home Office, effective 19 January 2024Proscribed terrorist organisation(, UK)Injured: None. Killed: None

    Making Palestine Action a terrorist group for "injuring" war planes used in a genocide(, or a unilateral massacre of civilians for those refusing to use a word abused in Lybia or systematically in our wars,) is just further proof that terrorism doesn't mean anything, and more&more people realize that.And yeah, i know that it wasn't their first actions, but we shouldn't use the same terms&laws for those refusing to kill :

    https://youtu.be/lJw0ni1Q01k

  • What !

    Jump
  • Europe @lemmy.ml

    What !

  • Yeah well, fuck David Ricardo(, it's obvious that we should buy&produce locally, his counter-intuitive results are only valid from a consumer viewpoint, not taking into account the jobs created, the taxes collected by the state, the more secondary enterprises benefiting indirectly from a good economic health, ...), he was only used to justify a neo-colonialist "free trade" locking "poor"(exploited) countries into selling raw materials, as well as selling the ownership of their companies/mines/'natural resources', etc.Their invaluable ressources were formed over (hundreds of )millions of years and are now sold over a few decades at a very low price set by the market according to the competition(, which isn't the case for the more advanced manufactured products with less competition, such as selling planes instead of t-shirts).So fuck David Ricardo, and these countries should ABSOLUTELY agree together to form an economic(&military because coups would follow,) alliance to raise in a concerted manner the prices of their raw materials, who should be at the very least 10, if not 100, times higher, and then use that money to manufacture these objects themselves. But they won't, tsk, so w/e.D.Trump is right in his desire to get back american companies in the u.s.a., even if he only did so once he stopped benefiting from it, the u.s. is too powerful to be oppressed for such decisions, unlike :

    • Haiti in the 1980-1990s, who tried to protect its rice, but the unholy trinity forced them to give up on that measure, and Miami's rice quickly took over, assholes ;
    • Before the 1980s, Ghana produced its own clothes, but because of the western SAPs, they were forced to buy clothes from Europe and Asia and lost their textile industry ;
    • In Argentina during the 2000s, Kirchner also tried some protectionnism like China, but as usual the unholy trinity came to order people around, the US, EU, and Japan added to the criticism of the WHO, and commercial pressures forced them to change their mind ;
    • Tanzania also tried to do the same for its agriculture, etc.

    I won't forget that the People's Republic of China was the only non-western aligned country to ever emerge since the colonization(, South Korea and Japan's rise were only strategic, we helped them at our expense like Israel or Taiwan), and also one of the only ones who refused to follow western advices/orders(, i still consider them protectionnism even if they complied — unwillingly in 1842, 1858, 1860, ... ; willingly in the 1980s — with our demands on tariffs, because they :

    • subsidized their economy ;
    • 'obtained, through explicit demands of real partnerships unlike the more submissive(trusting?) global South,'&'are now improving upon' western technologies, as well as creating new ones(, they were faster) ;
    • had reglementations such as forbidding foreign investments in some sectors past a certain percentage ;
    • favored local companies for state projects ;
    • ...They've demonstrated the unprecedented success of their system/'set of conditions', and should be imitated by the Global South if it's indeed better/'validated by these last decades'. And the chinese civilization has only just started to marvel us if you also like techno-scientific discoveries).

    Fuck Ricardo.

    More arguments here, among many books.

  • mass graves

    feels like a dissimulation, not only of war crimes but also to prevent the identification of the victims' status(, children, women, elderly, humanitarians, ...), and a body count of the operation.They wouldn't have been found if Israel didn't communicated the location.So many bulldozers and yet many more lies, they're even killing patients in hospitals, and have destroyed everything :

    « Has not Moses given you the law ? Yet not one of you keeps the law. »And « As they approached, Jesus said, “Here comes an honest man—a true son of Israel.” », but religion for them is a cultural thing, and they continue to consider themselves victims(, revelations/civilizations came afterwards and honored the legacy of an unworthy little land, yet they rejected it even though they should have disappeared&'be forgotten' if not for them). There's no reason for antisemitism to exist if we're all atheists yet they still believe that it's around and that having jewish friends is now somehow compatible with antisemitism(, jews were anti-christians and anti-muslims as well, they just weren't in power).
    At least « two allegations of sexual violence in kibbutz Be’eri — widely reported in the media — were unfounded. », and https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/03/more-human-can-bear-israels-systematic-use-sexual-reproductive-and-other.
    https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1906344566308958466 and https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1902504823326703982
    They deny any humanitarian help :
    Abu Tawila among others :
    See also Dr. Adnan Al-Bursh
    More than 100.000 israeli subscribers :
    https://archive.ph/iF1rz
    https://x.com/AssalRad/status/1903138235309506716https://x.com/KhalilJeries/status/1903835805686133149https://x.com/caitoz/status/1904289208912789968etc., that's only part of what followed the end of the "ceasefire", a unilateral massacre of "guilty" civilians from planes like we(sterners) are used to.Accusations are nice but solutions are better, there's no way that pro-palestinians countries will allow Palestine to disappear, and they're too powerful&numerous to be ignored, so Israel may bring down its deserved downfall for refusing to share "their" lands.

    If the current territory covered by Israel and Palestine was splitted into three between christians, jews, and muslims, then it'd be more easily accepted(, by the israelis,) if the shares were 33% jews, 16.5%+16.5% christians, and 16.5%+16.5% muslims, the five territories with Jerusalem as their capital(, perhaps with a slightly larger territory than currently). The goal of uniting one day in the future as a common territory with three governments may even be stated along with the redrawing of the borders(, and even end up with only one if the three religions of the Book ever fuse one day, Jerusalem/Israel/Palestine would be even more symbolic).If Israel ends up with a territory of ~9.500km²(, sharing the rest with the two other religions of the Book), they should ideally also be offered a second country of less than 20.000km² somewhere in the world, accepting the location because of their shared 'presence in'/'ownership of' the Sacred Lands. In that case, no need for the division 33 // 16.5+16.5 // 16.5+16.5, a simple 33//33//33 would do. And if it's spitted 50//50 for jews//muslims, then a second territory of less than 15.000kms² would be enough.

  • Palestine @lemmygrad.ml

    reminder

  • Thanks for moving it to a more appropriate community.

    If i may insist on the last point, even if it's a bit late to expect an answer from anyone, i believe that this is a very significant shift(, no ?) https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1830872489951662574

    It'll be much easier for americans to have a million dollar, and hence to buy shares in european companies(, to destroy the competition, steal its knowledge, ...), ressources, services, patents, ...
    It'll also become more and more advantageous for europeans to emigrate to the u.s.a. and send a part of their earnings back to their family in Europe.Etc.

  • Comradeship // Freechat @lemmygrad.ml

    A thought about private//public insurances

  • Material conditions enforces coercion(, bargaining power). His decision upon the Washington Post, and admittance that only Internet criticizes the capitalist viewpoints/mistakes, is also an illustration of how capitalism enforces its decisions upon its possessions, long live democracy in the workplace instead. No master except God(, by definition one can't escape its/our determinism, and shouldn't reject Idea(l)s).State-driven innovation is obviously more efficient than a company driven by profits instead of goals/vision/values(, who'll choose planned obsolescence, monopolies, stealing from other companies, ..., over genuine progress). Their theory states that the price would end up so low that they wouldn't waste profits in dividends and huge salary gap, but that's only one of the discrepancies between their theory and reality.

    Most of the world is capitalist and most of the world is poor, americans aren't even able to describe what socialism/communism is, so the debate is as biased as usual. When people are working two jobs and still barely pay the rent you're living in a failed state.And blah blah blah, the usual. You'll continue to prevent other countries from choosing their destiny by themselves instead of working on a supra-national institution protecting you&them from each other influence. And you'll prevent them from choosing a different path in the name of freedom of course.Purpose-driven competitive hard work is good, and should be rewarded with the results, but money or power should never be the goal but only a mean towards an (hopefully virtuous )end, the exploitation of noble families already hurt us enough in the past. And the real innovators aren't the wealthy investors but are in r&d, and ignored, they're the real heroes that don't care about money/power but about results instead, offering their discoveries to ignorant&useless capitalists/masters/employers/middlemen who aren't as disinterested or purpose-driven. Elon Musk has goals, he's very clearly awesome but i don't see a second capitalist like him, even if there's probably 1-3% of them who don't care as much about wealth/power as about 'the common good'/'walking towards a better world', who have multiple original ideas for improvements and are realizing them. Capitalists aren't proving that the wealth they've stolen from customers&employees is put to a better use than if the state got that money instead.(Vinted and Manomano have good filters on their website but Amazon is far from it and it wouldn't be that hard(, it could start with only the new products and some categories, it'd cost money to pay a team for testing themselves a given sample but that's how it should be done, to avoid annoying the seller and to control the test environment with custom tests and filters, Temu, Alibaba, french websites, ... should also do that if they want to do/be better), among other improvements. Asking for customers do round up their order by giving to a charity of their choice(, among a selection and/or freely,) would also improve their image, etc.)

    That countries should selfishly think about themselves, and not serve the common good instead by helping each other, is the exact same trash "ideology"(, and certainly a consequence of the mindset of individuals,) than encouraging citizens' selfishness instead of altruism/empathy, even if it's at their own expenses.They said that (the religious )empathy/goodness failed, and that selfishness/individuality would end up producing the same results in every single case.I don't care if westerners fail as long as we don't bring the rest of the world with us, but i'm not the one deciding, the strong do what it can and the weak suffer what it must.

  • Huh. I didn't take a look at your links and kinda expected to have problems with the mods for that comment anyway.Seems like we have the same opinion and lemmy.ml is indeed not Reddit.

    Sorry for such a bad comment, i'm french and our president, but far from only him, said a few annoying things that made me want to vent out, honestly i don't know why, just that it's one of these times when everything i'm hearing from the radio or t.v. or some twitter accounts of politicians just annoy me, it was a pointless comment in that sense, probably the equivalent of seeking a (verbal )fight in a pub, i was just getting ready to be angry at a poor pro-ukrainian as if it was productive, 🤷

  • So Ukraine wasn't building up an army to recover Crimea and fight against anti-n.a.t.o. separatism in its south-east ? Zelensky was elected as an alternative to anti-russians(, without the vote of south-eastern ukrainians under an economic blocus among other things), and did the opposite.It's just like saying that Russia will invade the rest of Europe or other lies(, probably the russian interferences as well since Russiagate was debunked and we have a strong history of lying, Georgia was the aggressor during the Beijing olympics), we just can't tell the truth and our population is even ignoring the talking points of the opponent. The non-westerners know our point of view, never difficult to understand, we're the ones systematically ignoring theirs, and lying with biases visible even to those agreeing with us.Netanyahu is also a liar but that's what we(sterners) do, the end justifies the means our leaders/representatives don't speak from/with their heart, there's an assumed propaganda of talking points, e.g. unprovoked for Russia or terrorists for Palestine, what are palestinians supposed to do to stop the ongoing colonization and live peacefully together ? What is Russia supposed to do if it's rejected by the west because of their desire to be independent and in favor of multipolarity, supporting the declared enemies of the "policemen of the world" ? Iran wouldn't be considered authoritarian if it was zionist.What matters here is that there are solutions for each problem, we have a strong tendency to consider our opponents crazy/incomprehensible, without explaining/justifying in order to seek a national unity.Now we're censoring people for their opinions even more than before, it comes from the state and not platforms, with jail time and fees, but since we're not killing people for posting unapproved opinions it could be worse. JD Vance was right to criticize the censorship wave of these last years in Europe(, and the US as well in a lesser measure), liberty is our only answer for a lack of egality 🤷(, in some forms, « poverty is slavery » though)

  • Europe @lemmygrad.ml

    News from Marx's homeland for their elections in 10 days : Merz is at 30%, Scholz at 15.5%, and the AfD is at 20.5%

  • Europe @lemmygrad.ml

    Sixteen UK climate activists are currently appealing after being handed down combined sentences of 41 years in 2024 for non-violent protests. Don't look up.

  • Technology @lemmygrad.ml

    Say 'hi' to our future. No risk of disobedience when they'll decide autonomously.

  • Ask Lemmygrad @lemmygrad.ml

  • Palestine @lemmygrad.ml

    Wtf : Out of 654 Thai women surveyed working in israeli agriculture, every single one declared having experienced some form of sexual assault at their jobs

    m.jpost.com /israel-news/100-percent-of-foreign-agriculture-workers-were-sexually-assaulted-expert-says-682532
  • World News @lemmy.ml

    The Cabinet of Indonesia meeting session has been held in Nusantara, Indonesia's future capital, for the first time(, instead of Jakarta).

    asia.nikkei.com /Politics/Indonesia-s-Jokowi-leads-1st-cabinet-meeting-in-Nusantara-5-things-to-know
  • Random thoughts, sry i guess 🤷‍♂️

    I'm always making mistakes, so feel free to add a correction if you'd like

  • God(&gods)( in the material world, but also) in the world of Idea(l)s(, and probably other worlds inaccessible to humans as well) :

  • Yet, correct me if i'm wrong, but in my memories ~90% of the redditors used "social justice warrior" as a.n insult/criticism(, against someone who's acting excessively nice in defense of someone when there's no need, like the expression "white knight" for those men on the Internet excessively defending other women, underlining that "social justice" deals with psychological "injuries" and not real injustices, the correct term should have been "societal justice" though since it never dealt with socio-economic matters), while nowadays only conservatives use "woke" as an insult towards other people, sometimes with a larger focus than the previous SJW, targeting everyone believing that some things ought to change in order to make a better world(, while conservatives generally don't think that such things should improve/change[1]).Well, i.d.k., not that it matters but would you agree with this impression that "social justice warrior" was used all over the political spectrum ~ten years ago ?

    [1] : Far-right political parties want some things to change b.t.w.(, as well as parties unaligned with left//right such as separatists, ~ecologists, ~democrat{for a direct democracy with referendums}, ~royalists, ~theocrats, ...).If conservatives are only defined with their unwillingness to change the current direction, then centrists are the real conservatives. Center-left and center-right bourgeois political parties were elected everywhere in the west(&'most of the world') for the last decades(, and had disappointed a hundred years ago in Germany leaving only two alternatives).We(sterners) saw a lot of societal changes in the last 70 years though(, not so sure for socio-economic changes however, once the productivity increase and its expected consequences for the workers are taken into account).If people don't vote(, in the primaries in the u.s.,) for "extremist" parties that's because we'll vote for whom we're being told to vote, and won't stop trusting our (billionaires-owned )medias as long as we're personally satisfied with the current situation.The problem is that our consent isn't real/informed/enlightened, and we don't use our collective intelligence, so we may collectively 'agree with falsehoods'/'make mistakes', and it doesn't feel like our republics represent the will of their population.If our government represented the will of the people then they wouldn't hesitate before putting any important decision through a referendum, and having 3-4 of them every year(, emerging from the population instead of the government,) wouldn't make our "representatives" afraid(, and if we're realising our mistakes afterwards then there's usually nothing that another referendum can't fix).Beyond direct/real democracy, we'll still say that it's our duty to "democratize" the rest of the world, otherwise dictatorships would bloom everywhere and freedom would die, chinese people are happy but we(sterners) have to save them and paint a dystopia instead of rejoicing and teaching mandarin in american schools as a second language.

  • They're also saying that these talks about inclusion are racist because positive discrimination is still discrimination. However, when you end a race second-to-last with weights around your feet you probably have more merits than the one ending in third place. Moreover this is about ending social reproduction more than rewarding personal merit, apparently India is the example of a long&successful experimentation of positive discrimination for their castes, of course that rich kids are better at school but that's not justice.And while black neighbourhoods have the same results as white urban neighborhoods of the same level of poverty(, or arabs in France, etc.), and that the main reason is that they were raised by poor parents with friends of the same mentality, in a school for children like them, in a neighbourhood and an environment very particular, and while it isn't genetic since their lives would be totally different if they were adopted, i could envision like 1-5% of their situation being related to a collective psyche, like you don't want to do a shitty job for a white country, in comparison to asians who are excited to seize the occasion to rise again while it seems possible, it's a different mindset but this kinda stupid/'outrageously wrong' racial explanation is marginal if it ever exists, and makes much less sense in my eyes than the environmental determinism that made peasants of the past engender peasants, and nobles engender nobles.Which would be good news since we could give everyone the same education as such nobles and that'd be good in theory.Minorities and people considered abnormal can be disliked and unjustly oppressed, perhaps not a lot in some cases ; in comparison normal people are privileged(, perhaps not a lot but, relatively, they are).Well, i don't really care about these questions and there's no point in talking about that here/'with people that'd agree'. Woke seems like the new term for SJW

  • France @jlai.lu

    Ça fait encore débat(, comme la censure par l'État il y avait quelques années,) mais en insistant ça finira comme tout le reste par passer : la reconnaissance faciale

    www.bfmtv.com /lyon/auvergne-rhone-alpes-laurent-wauquiez-demande-la-reconnaissance-faciale-autour-des-lycees_AD-202310171002.html
  • France @jlai.lu

    Question honnête : pourquoi ne pourrait-on pas dire « (...) rappeler devant tous le droit légitime de la Palestine de se défendre face à ceux qui œuvrent à sa destruction. Cette cause est juste. » ?

  • France @jlai.lu

    Nicolas Dupont-Aignan sur le projet de loi "Sécurité numérique" (7mn)

    twitter.com /myriampalomba/status/1714343112854610174
  • Europe @lemmygrad.ml

    Some people may have naively believed misinformation from all sides had to be fought. Now(, unless they believe only one side lies,) that the real goal is obvious, they are silent/complicit.

  • France @jlai.lu

    Dernières nouvelles du "monde libre" :

    www.bfmtv.com /tech/twitter/propagande-terroriste-le-gouvernement-menace-elon-musk-d-interdire-twitter_AV-202310110230.html
  • France @jlai.lu

    Je ne m'attendais pas à une telle différence

  • A Boring Dystopia @lemmy.world

    Florida Is Using Digital ID Facial Recognition On Hurricane Relief Applicants

    reclaimthenet.org /florida-is-using-digital-id-facial-recognition-on-hurricane-relief-applicants
  • GenZedong @lemmygrad.ml

    58 years ago today, socialism was once again brutally ended. The "New Order" only ended with Suharto's death in 1998. Sukarno's daughter served as the 5th president from 2001 to 2004.

  • France @jlai.lu

    Une application de "démocratie directe" a été lancée hier par le pouvoir représentatif !

    play.google.com /store/apps/details