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  • I'm not trying to blame anyone here. Just want to understand including understanding my own country of course.

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  • Like I said this is not what this was meant to be for. I was looking for some educated explanations of the matter from an objective/scientific perspective to also widen my horizon on the matter. I don't want a bate or finger pointing here.

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  • Like I mentioned in my post I wasn't trying to downplay the racism that's also still prevalent in Germany at all.

    From my view and from other Germans I talked to who even lived in America it just seems like Americans overly focus on ethnicity and these stereotypes linked to that on a daily basis that's dividing these people to a bigger extent than in Germany.

    Maybe I'm wrong here and I don't want to discard any personal experiences with this that are different especially for people who were more directly affected by this. And I'm very open for thoughtful and fair education about it.

    But generally it seemed like to me that Germany is pretty open for migrants and refugees. Currently 17% of the German population are first-generation immigrants where in America it's only 13% of the population with the plan to also soon mass deport illegal immigrants.

    55% of all Muslims also have German citizenship and to me it felt like that many of them are very well integrated with many even living here for more than one generation and are pretty much being treated like any other German.

    I think the clash might be more with immigrants/refugees who aren't from Germany and can barely speak the language. Because when you're living here since birth no one really questions your ethnicity whereas in America it seems to be a thing of daily occurrence where people are divided by just their skin color even though all of these people involved are as equally American and lived there for multiple generations.

    From what I understood there are even schools for only black people. These such things are unthinkable from a Germans perspective. I don't think we have schools that are only for black, or Jews, or Arab, or Muslim people.

    I'll give you an example as well: I know a German girl who has Asian ethnicity. She told me that her ethnicity basically never was a thing in Germany where she was just another German. But when she was doing an exchange year in America she noticed how big of a thing it is in America to make a deal out of someones ethnicity like when it's Asian which felt very weird to her.

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  • Like I mentioned in my post I'm not at all trying to downplay any of the racism that also still exists in Germany. To me and other Germans I know who even lived in America it just seems that Americans overly focus on ethnicity and these stereotypes linked to that on a daily basis that's dividing these people to a bigger extent than in Germany.

    Maybe I'm wrong here and my personal experience might be different from yours but I would love to understand more generally about this topic in a scientific way. That's why I asked this here.

    So correct me if I'm wrong but please be thoughtful and fair in your answers.

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  • Very interesting read, gives a lot of perspective. Thanks!

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  • Yea unfortunately there is way too much across the world. I hope it will become better. I and my family at least don't care about someone's religion or what country they migrated from and I don't personally know one who does so that's a good thing.

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  • Of course it's important to focus on that but I think they are very few (I don't know one personally). In every day life we don't make a thing about where someone is from and we take many refugees.

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  • That is a good point (although it seems like dark skinned population in Germany is closer to 1 percent so it's probably 1/100 in Germany and 12/100 in America). But I think it's noteworthy that Germany also has large numbers of migrant population and a big percentage of people are from the middle east who also have different features but even a quite different religion being the Islam (seems like Muslims make up about 7% of the population) and people here don't really make a big thing out of whether they're ethnicity is Arab or German or if their religion is Islam or Christianity. Although there's a growing population being against them I think the general consensus is that Germany is very open for migration and we take many refugees. About 17% of the German population so almost 2 in 10 people are first-generation immigrants and in America it's only 13% (and soon properly way less since it seems like they will mass deport illegal immigrants?? That btw seems crazy to me but I don't wanna get political). About 55% of the Muslims also have German citizenship and many of them lived here for multiple generations.

    But I appreciate that stereotypes are not tolerated in some American jobs, that's a good start.

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  • Very interesting, thanks a lot

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  • I'm from a rural area and mainly lived in different small towns and villages but also lived in a big city here in Germany. It almost feels to me that divisiveness is less in rural areas here since diversity is generally lower and the few people who "look different" or migrated need to fit in more and kind of just grow into the community and are seen like everyone else (but this might just be my area) (I think communities in Germany are more centralized than decentralized like in America). Even though I've seen more open mindedness in cities, I've also seen more separation and inequality there.

    I think like you mentioned wealth disparity is probably a big factor and I get that this is more extreme in America (especially if you have this turbo capitalism) and they need someone to stick it to.

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  • No I haven't but I can give it a try even though "weiße Menschen" already sounds quite stereotypical as the titel

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  • I thought this can be seen as social science and I was looking for a more scientific tone instead of subjective "opinions". Which would be a better community to post this in?

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