eager_eagle

Ok, let's think this through. Whoever "hires" them ends with a legally questionable codebase to say the least, that has worst architecture and performance than its open source counterpart, while also being unmaintainable and likely costing more to fix than building something the right way in the first place.

So they're taking money from people trying to do this shit? Great.

tab syncing and use of workspaces. Disabling tab syncing would break some things back in January, and the developers made it clear that Zen was - out of a sudden - a spaces browser, not a window one. So I jumped ship.

60% of the time it works every time

The ones paying attention and on a budget would still use them. "The best" of anything is usually not cost effective.

Even before reducing the prices, they were already 2 to 3 times cheaper than equivalent alternatives from Anthropic's ($3in, $15out) and OpenAI's ($1.75in, $14out) at $1.74in and $3.48out. Now they're around 10x cheaper.

Edit: Deepseek V4 Flash is the leading model on OpenRouter

so much for no one buying it

If you use it for Q&A, that's a lot of tokens. If you use it to write software somewhat autonomously, it's easy to go through a million tokens every few hours. Do that every day and you'll be paying over $100 a month at that rate.

Last I tried that would break other basic things, making it unusable for everyday use, so I just changed browsers. Is it working 100% now?

It's valid though, i had to move away from zen because they forced a particular workflow without a way to opt out from it, but I liked most of their UI stuff.

Not really, there are ways to count tokens before running an inference. Some providers make tokenizers public, so they even work offline. APIs also usually return rolling costs per response and have budget limits - though some could have more fine-grained limits.

Users who are surprised by the bill are usually not paying attention to each call, or using autonomous subagents, or a setup where they have little or no control to what is sent to the provider.

So the problem isn't really the API provider, as much as it's the tooling around it, which makes it too easy to overspend.

"If" heh

I wouldn't trust any ISP to not be tracking users

"don't lock your door, it does not prevent scammers from getting your home address"

???

yeah, we know deleting cookies doesn't prevent IP tracking, that's also why I use a VPN

yeah, window sync was annoying AF

I don't know of another fork, or even chromium-based one that let us put the URL bar on the side though

something is wrong with my instance, I'm not getting any ads here

not only a giant pool, but it's in a batcave and it looks like an album cover

Yeah, I don't even get the illusion of choice. At my address there's only one provider offering broadband speeds and I'm not even in a remote area at all.

as someone from a 3rd world country, I was surprised to know a big part of the US was still relying on dial up in the 2020s.

Also, monthly quotas for home internet is abusive as fuck. Especially in times of video streaming.

There are plans of 1Gbps and 1.2TB of quota, so users may accidentally run out of internet for the whole month in 3 hours and, conveniently, need to pay them more.

Just imagine having clear water to drink. Like a toilet.

Does it allow you to select the ones to keep? I'd like to delete everything, but signing into the services every day is annoying as hell, so I'd appreciate a solution to keep the authentication ones.

well, the rest of my UI has rounded corners, transparency, and blur 🤷‍♂️