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  • Anarchists in syria

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  • Because I have a much higher shot at being safe and living just fine there as a gay man vs a Muslim country? That is something I see as better.

    It's generally safe to do so in North America (pre-Trump), West Europe, and Scandinavia. Certainly much safer than in Muslim countries.

    It's true that secularism is what improved conditions for queer people and not Christianity but the thing is that Christian-dominated countries have achieved secularism on a wide scale. This is not seen in the muslim world. There's too much of a stronghold of religion on the people and the state there that won't wash away any time soon. There's too much outrage and religious zealotry that prevents progress from secularizing the state. This has happened in turkey to the most extent but that's about it.

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  • It really is, actually.

    There are no Muslim countries where homosexuality is legal, or where gay marriage is established.

    The listing here is absurd and demonstrably false.

    Egypt for example does not consider homosexuality legal.

    You can visit the page and scroll down for individual logs, laws, dates, and events etc yourself if you want to see a detailed deconstruction of precisely how the legal system there works against queer people if you're not convinced.

    Equaldex is a better resource than Wikipedia for this and gives you a more detailed breakdown of the respective countries.

    For Jordan, also:

    Homosexual activity has been legal in Jordan since 1951, however, the Penal Code includes vague provisions around "morality" and "indecent acts" that could be used to target LGBTQ+ people. In 2014, for example, Jordan authorities arrested 10 gay men and women who were holding a reception at a party hall. A security official said it was to "prevent a disturbance of the peace" but did not elaborate.

    Lebanon has ambiguous laws, it's not "legal". It is also illegal in Iraq.

    For Bahrain:

    there has been documented cases of arrests being made towards homosexual people on virtue of them being homosexuals

    My source is Equaldex for the aforementioned claims.

    "Middle East" ≠ Muslim countries.

    Turkey is a secular state, it does not have Islam as state law. Israel is a Jewish country. Cyprus is a Christian country.

    The fact that they accomplished separation of church and state on such a wide scale is impressive in its own right. Good luck trying to achieve that in Muslim countries (note: Muslim, not "middle eastern").

    Furthermore, I would also add that you do not account for (1) the lack of legal protections against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and (2) extrajudiciary killings, which are enabled by problem (1), as well as (3) the degree of stigma and discrimination in these countries cause suicide amongst queer populations.

    There are Christian countries that have legal protections against discrimination on sexual orientation, and thus limit/protect against extrajudiciary killings. You cannot say the same about Muslim countries. I would like examples if arguing otherwise.

  • Google is cannibalizing the web to feed AI

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  • That's disappointing. But Mojeek is kind of unusable tbh.

  • New German list of symbols conflates anti-genocide advocacy with antisemitism

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  • It's not Germany if it's not fascism & genocide is it?

  • Anarchists in syria

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  • You said they didn't "kill" them. This is how I know you aren't reading.

    Because the jailing and the discrimination leads to death, and the extrajudiciary killings under a lack of legal protections, is quite literally killing.

    I have said this multiple times now, but you don't seem to get it.

  • Google is cannibalizing the web to feed AI

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  • Startpage and Mojeek.

    DDG has contracts w Microslop.

  • Sam Altman: Human Extinction Is Our "Best-Case Scenario"

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  • He's not entirely wrong. I can picture a better life without Altman, Bezos, Gates, and all the other billionaires.

    Billionaire Extinction would indeed be our best case scenario. How do we make it happen?

  • Anarchists in syria

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  • You sure did you homophobic piece of trash. Learn to read, I gave you sources too but I guess you couldn't read them. I didn't make any such claim; but yes, if you're gay or queer, the Muslim world is not a safe space for you and will get you killed in one way or another. I gave you the reasoning on how jailing + discrimination leads to death even in the off-chance they aren't killed by the state (which isn't even the primary way it happens, it's extrajudiciary killings and the lack of state protections that causes it mostly). You're a homophobe that doesn't care about queer people, only defending Islam because you're a religious zealot.

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  • If you were able to read, homophobe, you would know why and how jail and discrimination = killing you illiterate nincompoop.

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  • You want facts? Name a single Muslim country that has legalized homosexuality. Name a single Muslim country that has legalized gay marriage.

    I can name many non-muslim countries have.

    If you want a thorough and detailed breakdown of how poorly Muslim countries perform in this regard, fire up Equaldex and search for any Muslim country there.

    It is evident that in places such as West Europe and North America (not referring to America under Trump, it's ruined now), generally, queer people have felt safe enough to come out, live their lives and remain in relationships w the people they love. This is not true of Muslim countries. You cannot be a openly gay man in Muslim countries, unless you're of the elite class. This is self-evident.

    It's not "vibes", I'm speaking from lived experience having lived in these countries as a gay person. Have you?

    As do many modern day north american anglicans, basptists, church of christ, pentacostals, presbyterians, nazarenes, and evangelicals. Catholic / christian missionaries are also directly responsible for converting entire populations to be homophobic bigots across Africa and other former colonies.

    And yet I can name many christian states that have far better laws and protections for queer people than Muslim countries have ever had.

    And how many millions of Africans died over the past ~45 years due to the church opposing the promotion of condom use during the HIV/AIDS crisis?

    I never denied Christianity is also a plague, but in many regions, today, Christian states has progressed significantly whereas Muslim states have absolutely not in this regard. It's disingenuous to present this as a "both sides" issue when one is clearly worse.

    Having said that, to be clear, I denounce both Islam and Christianity.

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  • Christianity, yes, buddhism, nowhere near as much. There's literally just 2-3 dots of Buddhism even in your own graphic, it's misleading to even mention it.

    Islam and Christianity are the primary religions responsible for homophobia.

    Furthermore, it is not merely "many", all Muslim countries have homophobic laws and practices. If you say this is not the case, I would like you to show me a single country that has Islam as its state religion and has legalized homosexuality. There are none. Also, not a single one of these countries, have legalized gay marriage.

    There are many countries where the primary religion is Christianity but homosexuality is legal and even gay marriage is legal.

    Let's not pretend it's the same.

    Though I will say I have no fondness for Christianity, either. I do have a problem with abrahamic religion in general (buddhism is too minor in comparison for me to be concerned about).

    I have a bigger problem with Islam because

    1. the reasoning above, i.e. no Muslim countries have legalized homosexuality or gay marriage, whereas this is not true for non-muslim countries
    2. I personally live in a Muslim country and have to deal with Islam-centric homophobia on a daily basis, so it is something I have a bigger issue with personally, yes.

    If I am to be labelled an islamophobe for that, then sure, I would just consider the other person a homophobe.

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  • Oh yeah jail, not murder— such a good thing.

    You are clearly not a queer person and are just focused on defending Islam, because any queer person would know that not being able to live your life without fear winds up equating to death anyway. What do you think happens when gay men cant exist in public the way straight people can, and can't have relations with the people they love without fearing persecution from the state and being jailed?

    Discrimination leads to death and gay men have the highest rates of suicide due to said discrimination.

    Go over on equaldex and search any Muslim country there to see how abysmal it performs. Though I doubt you care about queer people's lives, you're likely just on a mission to show Islam in a good light.

    Furthermore, extrajudiciary killings are a thing that occur in many Muslim countries even if it is not a state law. By not protecting queer people against hate crime and discrimination these states indirectly allow for mob justice and for people to get away with lynching gay men, even if it is not done by the state itself, directly.

    The lack of protections against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in Muslim countries is easily verifiable. And it is this lack of protection that leads to us being killed.

    From the torah would you say the same about jews or you know you can get away with islamophobia but not antisemetism

    I am fully aware. This is a problem of all abrahamic religions. Islam, Christianity, Judaism— none of them are queer affirming. I don't shy away from criticizing any religion.

    This is not an Islam-exclusive issue, though it is most persistent in Muslim countries today as there are many christian nations that have progressed and removed these backwards laws, whereas there are no Muslim countries that have legalized homosexuality or gay marriage.

    Shame on you for your blatant homophobia and downplaying how muslims treat gay men.

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    Should we view everyone labeled as 'neo-Nazi' or 'far-right' as inherently bad? Or are these labels subjective and constantly shifting? Is generalizing entire wing of political ideas simply bad intel?

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  • People murdering innocent people and genociding them (like Israel) shouldn't exist.

  • What if We Controlled Money?

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  • No post text?

  • Anarchists in syria

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  • Holding a LGBT flag implies one is gay. Once one is known to be gay, they're in real risk of being lynched to death or getting thrown in jail.

    The issue isn't just holding a flag, it's any signal that communicates one is gay clearly.

    You are framing it as "unintentional killing" but this is blatantly false and dishonest. People come out to kill gay men in places like Pakistan and other Muslim countries. Homosexuality is punishable by death in the UAE and Saudi Arabia, and this is similarly seen in many other places where Islam is law.

    Islam is a deeply homophobic religion and that is fact.

    You are defending Islam against it's homophobia and are grossly downplaying how it kills gay men, directly and indirectly.

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  • Hate crime and lynching that leads to murders of the LGBT community is not at all something rare in the muslim world.

    It's true that many laws came from colonial era under christian missionaries, but muslims oppose the removal of those laws with religious outrage.

  • In Ecuador, a woman accused of participating in a robbery was sanctioned by the community. She was undressed and forced to carry rocks

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  • Tf is this mob justice?

  • Thousands face modern slavery in the UK – but it goes unseen

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  • Jobs are modern slavery.

    It's unseen everywhere.

  • Anarchists in syria

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  • That is cool. Generally being in an Islamic region is threatening but these are militias, not exactly lynchable.

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    "Hierarchy is needed for PCB fabrication!"

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    "Hierarchy is necessary" (?)

  • Privacy @lemmy.ml
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    Private image browsing apps?

  • Privacy @lemmy.ml
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    Proton has ties to Israel. What's a safe alternative?

  • Privacy @lemmy.ml
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    Countersocial doesn't work for me.