Puddinghelmet

protecting minorities and not drowning you in fake news is censorship now?

Its in the document? You can click it and read it?

Yoooooo if Israel tortures and abuses European human rights activitists in broad daylight, imagine what they do in the dark to palestinians... Horrifying, and trump is protecting this from European sanctions? When is America gonna riot? We strike for way less in Europe tbh

That israeli minister Ben-Gvir posted the abuse on his own twitter account: https://xcancel.com/itamarbengvir/status/2057046925417824697#m

Injuries: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/1tk8ebb/turkish_flotilla_activists_have_finally_arrived/

Dutch reporter who was on Flotilla talks about his experience after being kidnapped by Israel: https://youtube.com/shorts/iBEddBAuDR0

BBC video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjRwBcbuubU

Why is Trump protecting Israels abuse and terror from European sanctions? Americans cant be bothered to force trumps hand with strikes? Meanwhile Europeans: (who also strike for way less)

Yeah every sanction matters but has little effect when USA is still protecting israel when are americans gonna force trumps hand?

I mean what how will European sanctions matter if America pumps thrice as much money into Israel for example and keeps supporting israel and supporting far right politicians like Orban who veto EU sanctions on israel, and trump immediately tarrifs those countries...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c202wp2rl09o'A change in government in Hungary ended months of delays to the EU's plans for further sanctions, which had been blocked by the former right-wing Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban, a close ally of Israel.'

'Israeli media have reported that the sanctioned individuals and organisations include Daniella Weiss, who is already sanctioned by the UK and is known as the "godmother" of the settler movement.It is also reported that they include the organisations Nachala and Regavim, movements that promote settlements, as well as HaShomer Yosh and Amana, organisations that help to finance and assist unauthorised settlements known as outposts.Meir Deutsch, the CEO of Regavim, and Avichai Suissa, the CEO of HaShomer Yosh, are also reportedly on the list. Suissa was sanctioned by the US in 2024, but removed from the sanctions list under Donald Trump.'

That israeli minister Ben-Gvir posted the abuse on his own twitter account: https://xcancel.com/itamarbengvir/status/2057046925417824697#m

Injuries: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/1tk8ebb/turkish_flotilla_activists_have_finally_arrived/

Dutch reporter who was on Flotilla talks about his experience after being kidnapped by Israel: https://youtube.com/shorts/iBEddBAuDR0

Well what can we do if the president of the USA is protecting Israel despite everything and says F international law lol actually he hates international law and looks up to dictators lol americans can protest but they need to strike for days bring the economy to a standstill and demand justice, in Europe they strike for way less

edit: typo

You are your own god tho ;) ^^

LMAO I love you and I love this lol

HAHAHAHA I also read this and was like wot, maybe its british slang LMAO idk

The people in power spontaneously turned blind to their own history

For starters you did not answer my main question: How exactly does any of this stop the authorities from just making the app close source and changing it to do whatever the fuck they want?

Yeah good concerns, same for the chat control thing.

Further: Who gives you the “white card without any private data”? How do you for sure it doesn’t have some kind of ID and it’s not in some database right linked with your personal info?

I mean if its open source we can check it ourselves lol

Sources for ZKP: https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/docs/annexes/annex-B/annex-B-zkp/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_Curve_Digital_Signature_AlgorithmVulnerabilities: https://www.encryptionconsulting.com/education-center/what-is-ecdsa/[Api2025] Rutchathon Chairattana-Apirom, Franklin Harding, Anna Lysyanskaya, and Stefano Tessaro, "Server-Aided Anonymous Credentials," available at https://eprint.iacr.org/2025/513, 2025

Next “recognized child safety organizations” just moves the problem of “who choses what gets blocked” around. Who “recognizes” an organisation as genuinelly for child safety? Who authorizes them to add photo-hashes to the blockchain? What is the official process for all of that? Where is the Judicial oversight? Where is the fucking Judicial oversight? You know, the way by which for example an artist can get their tasteful drawing which is not adult but “had too much skin” for some moralistic type in one of those organisations taken of the blockchain.

Yeah true ... But Bitcoin and Estonia also uses blockchain to ensure the identity of people, because it's transparant and it's immutable, and you have a digital identity without one central database, governments don't know how to regulate this. So at least for immutable and transparency we have the option blockchain but then the organizations themselves, I mean what about existing organizations? How do we know they are not corrupt

Further, you can hardly reconstruct the picture for validation from the hashes in blockchain, so it’s not really public, now is it?! The hashes are public but the content represented by them is not, so de facto the list of what’s being blocked is not public, so how would the public know that it’s actually correct and not, say, some moralist blocking sex-education images?

The list wont be made public anyway cause then people can avoid it and bypass it etc, almost all servers from google and microsoft are already doing this actually, scanning on hashes etc

I mean a very common trick by politicians in areas prone to Corruption, such as public contracts or public-private initiatives is to set some shit up with potential to abuse and then a toothless or captured “independent” overseer - it provides the appearence of honesty whilst in practice being the very opposite.

You're so right tho fr. Didn't China's social credit system start the same way as this European age verification app started?

Further, your answer is again superficial. “Child safety organisations”? Meaningless without a detailed definition of what’s considered child safety

Jup exactly thats why I said with clear criteria but if does are not in place then its meaningless like almost everything i say lmao xd thanks for replying anyway, I didn't know about that ISP thing for example

it’s a process problem and a regulatory problem - if this is not done properly whatever technical appearence of anynomity you have can be defeated by the process side of things

You're totally right and I totally agree, maybe in that case blockchain is a good technical process which can't be abused, now the human system behind it, in Estonia only government recognized organizations get access to add to the blockchain, so if your country has a stable democracy, cemented in law, with laws preventing it from ever becoming non-democratic, but you can never guarantee that a country will remain a stable democracy in the future. So then this human, and thus blockchain, system, and thus age verification, can't be fault-proof indeed

ISP's with parental control modes and teaching parents and kids which you suggested is a way better approach I fully agree and thanks for explaining also 🙏🙏

I meant the blockchain for the chatcontrol app, not for the age verification app btw, and you make good points for sure.

Is there a group of independent experts analysing each and every version of the protocol and the app to make sure it’s not just directly anonymous but also resilient to de-anonimization?

I mean it's open-source and we have privacy watch-dogs so yes? and maybe they will create a group for it, like Germany

Next, even assuming the whole thing is perfect and has been checked and confirmed by independent experts, how do you guarantee that once the infrastructure is in place the whole age-gating software isn’t just made closed source and covertly of changed to turn it into a full-blown civil society surveillance system?

For chat control app: blockchain where only recognized child safety organizations can add photo-hashes For age verification app: it's zero knowledge proof, so you get a white card without any private data? so how can that turn into full blown surveillance system? The only thing I don't like is uploading my ID online to the app, let me get verified by showing my ID to municipal services without uploading it, would be good ig

Also, who gets to chose which sites are locked behind age-gates and which are not. Is the list open? Can it be appealed? How easy it is the appeals process? Is there Court supervision of the whole process or is it some people in a closed room with no Judicial oversight choosing what gets put behind that lock and what doesn’t.

Child safety organizations? Independent organizations with clear criteria or something? But yeah good questions idk

Beyond that, it’s the responsibility of parents to watch over and control what their children are doing, not everybody else. The whole focus should be on giving parents the tools for that (for example, with a standard protocol for sites to inform browsers and home firewalls that they’re serving adult content, thus allowing parents to block it internally without the information of who is watching what ever leaving their home network), not mandated government software supposedly controlling the access of the whole fucking civil society to arbitrary web-sites and who knows what else.

Then you must make sure the parents aren't tech-illiterate and invest in educating parents for parental controls etc but truth, good point... Child-safe should be the standard in new devices and browsers if those parents stay being tech illiterates.

easiest to achieve option to have the websites push out standard markers for “adult content” to browsers and home firewalls so that parents can restrict their children’s access

Yeah agreed that this is the best solution but how do you make sure those websites apply for such a marker? Use AI to scan them lol And its still the best solution, together with focussing on education parents as well as children and to educate parents on parental control and screen time, and let them sort it out locally, instead of enforcing age verification deffo agreed on that

WhatsApp originally used a modified version of XMPP, but not the standard protocol. When Facebook acquired WhatsApp, they replaced XMPP with the open source Signal Protocol for end-to-end encryption (E2EE), the golden privacy standard.

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Estonia has this system for a decade already btw and uses block chain to make it transparant and for integrity, and the verification app will be zero-knowledge proof, and is open-source. Literally the best two specs you want for privacy... The only thing I would want is a decentralized system where you can get verified by showing your ID to your local municipal services, not uploading it.

But the chat control has to go away asap frmaybe a compromis for chat control would be a decentralized database of photo hashes that are scanned by the chat control app where only trusted organizations for childrens safety can add hashes to, supported by block chain so we have full transparency of who adds what... wdyt of this?

This way there is no single point of control. Blockchain provides full transparency because every addition of a hash is recorded as a transaction that anyone can verify, showing who added it and when, and since the blockchain is immutable, hashes can't be secretly altered or deleted. Digital signatures prove which trusted org added each hash.