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It isn't fair use, See most of faq @ fairuse faq.

"Fair Use" is often the subject of discussion when talking about online copyright with regards to online video content or music sampling, but it's notably a flawed defense as it generally has no legal definition for how much of certain content can be used or referenced. The very first line of that faq has the following note:

How do I get permission to use somebody else's work?You can ask for it. If you know who the copyright owner is, you may contact the owner directly. If you are not certain about the ownership or have other related questions, you may wish to request that the Copyright Office conduct a search of its records or you may search yourself. See the next question for more details.

All artists / writers and others are asking LLM model producers to do is a) Ask for permission or B) Attribute the artists work in some kind of ledger, respecting the copyright of their work. Every work you make (write/play/draw/whatever) has a copyright that should be respected by companies and are not waived by EULA or TOS (ever) and must be respected in order for author attribution as a concept to work at all. There is plenty of free, permissive copyrighted content on the internet that can be used instead to train an LLM, but simply asking for permission or giving attribution would at least be a step in the right direction for these companies and for the industry as a whole.

Defenders of AI will note that the "use" of art in LLM is limited and thus protected by fair use, but that is debatable based on the content of the above listed FAQ.

How much of someone else's work can I use without getting permission?Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances. See, Fair Use Index, and Circular 21, Reproductions of Copyrighted Works by Educators and Librarians.

You can see that the use cases above (commentary, criticism, news reporting and scholarly reports) does not qualify LLM companies to use train their models with copyrighted data for privatized industry. Additionally, you'll note that "market disruptive" uses cannot be protected by fair use in it's definition, meaning that displacing artists with AI automatically makes LLM use of copyrighted material an infraction of copyright that is not protected by the fair use clause.

Regardless, this will need to be proved in court and even if it passes certain criteria, it will not apply to all infractions. Fair use is a defense, not a protection, and thus LLM producers will have to spend time in court in order to defend individual infractions. There's no way for them to catch all copyright infringement with one ruling, it needs to be proved on a case-by-case basis.

IANAL but this is my 2 cents on the matter.

MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 2y ago

Consider using a USB3 SSD as your boot drive if you want long term usage from your pi. The SD card is prone to failure relatively quickly on Raspian and is even worse on OSes that aren't optimized for the PI directly.

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MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 2y ago

I mean, I sort of get why the developers say it's Discord's policy even if it's a bit misleading.

Game developers don't really want to moderate their own discord server and simply want to use the strictest automated filtering system available and this just happens to include phone number linking. The operators of the servers themselves do not have access to these phone numbers and they are only stored by discord directly to prevent spam.

I would personally prefer games to not have their communities tied to discord, akin to how forums were big deal for games back in the day, but even then they do need some kind of automated way to filter out all the crap. This is a problem with moderating any community, including a lemmy/kbin/mastodon, and I don't blame them for simply picking the strictest option to ease the burden on the 1 or 2 people who are charged with managing these servers (especially if they are unpaid or volunteers, which is a whole other can of worms that shouldn't happen...)

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MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

His supporters want cannabis legalization too. Doesn’t mean he’s gonna support it.

Not entirely fair when he has essentially pushed for decriminalization and pardoned many people charged with bogus drug possession crimes in states that unfairly target minorities with drug crimes. I think he's been pretty good short of broad legalization -- but you can't blame him when it's still illegal in the majority of states.

This is coming from a state with legal pot though, so I understand the frustration if you live in one of those backwards states that hasn't gotten with the times. It's important to remember how the Rs feel about recreational drugs before casting stones though (spoiler: they don't like them).

MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

According to most sites TOS, when we write our posts we give them basically full access to do whatever they like including make derivative works.

2 points:1 - I'm generally talking about companies extracting data from other websites, such as OpenAI scraping posts from reddit or other such postings. Companies that use their own collection of data are a very different thing.2 - Terms of Service and Intellectual Property are not the same thing and a ToS is not guaranteed to be a fully legally binding document (the last part is the important part.) This is why services that have dealt with user created data that are used to licensing issues (think deviant art or other art hosting services) usually require the user to specify the license that they wish to distribute their content under (cc0, for example, would be fully permissible in this context.) This also means that most fan art is fair game as licensing that content is dubious at best, but raises the question around whether said content can be used to train an AI (again, intellectual property is generally different from a ToS).

It's no different from how Github's Copilot has to respect the license of your code regardless of whether you've agreed to the terms of service or not. Granted, this is legally disputable and I'm sure this will come up at some point with how these AI companies operate -- This is a brave new world. Having said that, services like Twitter might want to give second thought of claiming ownership over every post on their site as it essentially means they are liable for the content that they host. This is something they've wanted to avoid in the past because it gives them good coverage for user submitted content that they think is harmful.

If I was a company, I wouldn't want to be hinging my entire business on my terms of service being a legally binding document -- they generally aren't and can frequently be found to be unbinding. And, again, this is different from OpenAI as much of their data is based on data they've scraped from websites which they haven't agreed to take data from (finders-keepers is generally not how ownership works and is more akin to piracy. I wouldn't want to base a multinational business off of piracy.)

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MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

They almost certainly had, as it was downloaded from the net.

That's not how it works. That's not how anything works.

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MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

This is why some of us have been ringing the alarm on these companies stealing data from users without consent. They know the data is valuable yet refuse to pay for the rights to use said data.

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MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

To be honest, it would be a bigger surprise if a Trump lawyer somehow wasn't a real piece of shit.

MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

Not to mention, of course he'd be hyping ai now that his new toy has lost its luster. He's already thinking about x's migration to an AI company as his next grift.

MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

Until there's evidence there's basically no reason to treat this as news.

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MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

The ai is trained on recordings of his voice which they have not secured the rights to though. You can't simply use any data you find on the street and use it professionally in any field.

An impression is a very different context. You're vastly overestimating the independence of an AI model to equate it to human performance or impersonators.

MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

As an added note to the development team @ernest and others:

This has worked pretty well and I'm now trying to clean up the areas I have ownership of now. However, I have a few notes:

I would like it if, in the case of a community ownership transfer happens, that the original "founder" account was noted on the right hand side with the panel details. It would be nice to know this as a moderator or owner of a magazine as, if the user ever comes back, they could reapply for moderation access and I could approve knowing that the person was actually the original founder. Right now, it would be hard to verify that the person submitting a mod request is actually the person who originally founded the community for example.
It would be nice if moderators had the ability to add badges to existing posts to help clean up communities that might have had a lot of content but not much in terms of badge management.
When ownership transfers, it would be nice to get a notification. When transfer of /m/manga and /m/bitwig came to me, for example, I didn't notice until a few days after since I didn't receive a notification.

Should these types of issues be posted as a "bug"? Or is it better to just leave feedback here?

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MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

Does anyone know if this affects mods like CS?

Edit: Idk if it's just me on linux, but it seems like CS1.6 no longer launches on the new update. A bummer, but I had a lot of fun play HLDM just now so I think they'll fix it eventually.

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MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

This is great. I dont want to request moderation on too many so I just picked a few that I think I could handle and communities I'd like to see developed. (Specifically the manga and bitwig magazine.)

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MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

Does anyone have a change log?

MoogleMaestro @kbin.social 3y ago

Hey! It's like they read my last comment in the shutdown announcement thread.

This is really the best move they can make at this point.

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