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Fuck off. I'm not entering this whole shitshow of a discussion again, already have experienced this more than enough on this site. It's absolutely baffling that you can just claim "the exaltation of the artist, preferred artistry, and those with discerning tastes against the unwashed masses" like anyone is saying that artists are superior, when in fact they are just workers like everyone else.
You can't actually be serious. Artists destroyed art supply and bookstores, not amazon that entered the market aggressively undercutting and buying and doing everything they could to destroy these? This can't actually be a serious take being upvoted in this site, I refuse to believe this shit.
Apparently we only care about the right proletariats, the wrong ones we don't care about. It's incredible the amount of hate some marxists have for artists.
I'm not making any of those claims, miss me with that. I'm pointing out how absurd it is that you don't even see artists as workers and feels the need to make less of them.
Funny that just saying that is enough to start claiming I'm somehow a Proudhonist.
What a stretch. Incedible how the moment it's artists under the bus y'all suddenly don't care about them, even infering they somehow are not workers.
It’s OK to distrust more than one Government, but how anyone can believe the the west in this matter is beyond me.
The west has repeatedly coup'd, invaded, destroyed, killed, bombed, sanctioned everyone that dares look at them wrong. But sure, daddy west is completely right when it comes to China.
Hong Kong Democracy Movement
Democracy is when you have west funded protests trying to do a color revolution. Sure.
Do you not remember Tianamen Square?
Oh, one of the biggest propaganda lies the west ever made about China? Have you actually watched the tank man video? How about the evidence of the contrary to the so called "massacre on Tiananmen square".
Great Fire-Wall?
Oh no, China doesn't allow the west to propagandize to it's citizens, while simultaneously propping it's own national platforms, the horror!!!11!!1!
Also, let's just ignore how the Arab League literally investigated the so called "Xinjiang genocide", and found nothing.
But sure, Adrian Zenz is right, lmao.
"Waaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaah! I'm a little baby incapable of citing sources, I'm not gonna talk to you .ml demons."
I fully expect discord to wield it in a liberal “both sidesism” corporate kind of way
Oh it would be even worse than that, there's full on abhorrent stuff being hosted on Discord servers. Discord is not encrypted, so they know full well the kind of shit they host from people and they do nothing about it unless trouble comes knocking at their door. I doubt Discord would enact any of the shit they have in their guidelines without pressure to do so. I did report the nazi just in case before I even typed anything at them in chat.
In general, I think there are times it’s worth shamelessly tapping into liberal institutions to deplatform these fuckers, where possible. So long as there are institutions that at least pretend to care, might as well rather than having to carry out the whole fight ourselves when we’re not always well organized for it.
I agree 100%. I just don't think there's much that can be done in this case.
Also in this particular case, shit hit the fan and people online on other communities are already talking about the shitshow on that server, I posted links in the original post with updates I found online, and it doesn't look good.
Having an emulation comm here would be super cool! I'm not usually that knowledgeable on it, but being able to see more discussions here would be great. I was following iiSU because it genuinely looks amazing.
Also, looks like there have been some developments on the whole situation. I just received a newsletter from The Memory Core talking about it and saying that Usagi just stepped down from the project, the scope on the social features are getting cut back a bit and that the new leadership is more open to making the project Open Source.
I haven't been in the server since yesterday because of the ban, but I didn't expect things to go this direction.
Tbh Usagi didn't seem like a bad person, more like someone that got put on the spot and didn't know how to properly operate under that pressure. His apology was lackluster but was nothing that couldn't be easily fixed if he genuinely put a little bit of effort into understanding why it was bad.Scrap that shit, there's grooming allegations on this guy, fuck him.
I mostly agree, but the Venezuela part I'm not so sure. The US already moved their biggest aircraft carrier there and already bombed 21 times and killed at least 83 people. I hope they can't actually invade there.
I get what you're saying and I generally agree. That's something I have been worrying about because I kinda of just said it automatically and I got worried it could cause distress on someone else unrelated that might struggle with such self-harm thoughts.
On the other hand, I would never, ever, direct this kind of thing towards anyone with any shred of humanity in them, and it should never have come to the point where transphobes, zionists and nazis just infected the place and the mods did jack shit for hours, there were a ton of LGBT people in that space being harassed, there were also a bunch of Pissrael supporters and even settlers in the server, while also having Jewish people being mocked and harassed by that nazi by just sending the shit he was sending there. I wish I had screenshots to show here, but the fucker was just emitting hitler particles.
To quote Sartre: “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
I have been using Hayase for anime. Just found out they got a automatic DMCA strike on GitHub they are trying to appeal, so you can't access the source code right now, but the downloads on their site (which links directly from GitHub) still work.
Yeah, that sucks. To be fair this is all very recent, so it's best to wait a couple of days to see what happens next, there are queer people in the development team after all.
Honestly, my biggest concerns outside what I just talked here is that the project won't be FLOSS, which is a death sentence if problems happen, and that I doubt they will be able to properly implement all the features they recently showed up in their showcase. If they can't even do basic moderation of a discord server, how the hell are they gonna handle all the social features promised?
I'm not a fan, my country is basically christian, even tho we are technically a secular state (I hope this is the correct term, the term in portuguese is estado laico). There's a pretty big evangelical/protestant lobby in the government and a bunch of billionaire pastors.
We even have a very widespread coloquial term for evangelicals/protestants, the word crente (something like believer in a very quick translation). Part of my family is catholic, part is evangelical (I'm pretty sure I'm the only atheist), but even tho the crentes are known for being annoying about their religion, my relatives are very chill and don't really bring it up unsolicited (at least I don't remember it happening), so I can't say I have had a bad interaction with crentes outside the internet, where they are very annoying, specially because a lot of them tend to just go to comment sections to preach and spread hate towards lgbt people out of nowhere.
There's also the very big problem of pedophile pastors here in Brasil.
Just recently I listened to an audio of a pastor talking to a child, I don't remember if her age comes up in the conversation, but I'm pretty sure she was very young, where the pastor is asking her to come to his house to abuse her, even saying that she should lie to her grandma about it saying that she is just going to the house of a friend from the church.
This shit made my stomach turn upside down the moment I started listening to the audio.
I don't have much experience with people from other religions, mostly I know a couple of muslims, but I'm not against religion in the sense that it should be prohibited, because I think everyone should be free to have and exercise their own beliefs. I'm against it in the sense that it is used as a tool to control people, and I think it will mostly wither away when people's needs are met since religion serves as a way to socialize and feel part of a community for a lot of people. But I could be wrong on this, since socialist states like Cuba have a very big christian population.
I think the way China deals with religion is probably the way. You allow people to exercise their beliefs, to carry their religious texts and symbols, to have their temples and churches and religious places, but you don't allow for public preaching and the state has the last say in it, maintaining it under constant supervision.
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Imagine being this much of a western leftist, where you're so racist you can't recognize AES and just repeat the most obvious propaganda
Again you assume we can just pressure China into doing something, when I have more than once stated that China is not internationalist at this time. Why is it so hard to admit that China, as Marxists should just be helping Palestine more? It should not take other Marxists pressuring them to do that.
... then fails to do anything meaningful in that direction to agitate said foreign country then they have a geopolitical theory for which there is no meaningful praxis ie idealism.
So, exactly what I said. At the end according to you, WE are at fault for China not being internationalist with Palestine, so the problem is not their stance, the problem is that we disagree with that stance and since we can't change it, we are at fault. It makes absolutely zero sense, AGAIN, it is excusing China and shifting the blame on the powerless. Besides, saying China, a Marxist-Leninist state is not internationalist and not doing enough for Palestine is geopolitical theory and therefore we are idealists because WE can't change how China acts? There's is just no way.
It is a failure of marxists to postulate theories without praxis, it is the vestiges of liberalism that they should let go.
What theory? Doing one tame criticism of China is not the same as postulating theory. We are not analyzing China and trying to understand why it is not internationalist and trying to learn from their experience, we are simply saying, THEY SHOULD help more as a Marxist-Leninist state.
I'm sorry but I'm done with this discussion. I have reiterated the same points and explained the same things over and over again and I don't feel like doing it anymore, I'm disengaging.
Comrade, what idealism?
You are the one that claimed Marxists in the capitalist global south are at fault for not stopping the genocide, and now that I explained how that is materially impossible, you're shifting the goalpost to say that these same Marxist are at fault because we can't pressure China into doing something, while ignoring the material reality of China's lack of Internationalism which they themselves set goals to return to by 2049. You are uncritically excusing China and labeling anyone that does the most tame criticism of them an idealist. By your logic we can't criticize them at all since our country here is not socialist, how is that a Marxist position? Just because China is a DOTP doesn't excuse them of making mistakes. It doesn't guarantee they aren't gonna miss or do wrong.
Expecting that a Marxist-Leninist state would do the bare minimum when faced with the option to do something against a genocide is not idealism. The Soviet Union materially supported struggles all over the world and when faced with the reality of their mistake in supporting Israel, turned around and corrected their failure. Meanwhile, China admits Israel is doing a genocide, condemns it, but won't even stop trading with it.
If one isn’t going to do that, and instead throw their hands up in the air then one is admitting there is no praxis here:
No one is throwing their hands in the air, we can do more than one thing at a time, we can criticize China while doing agitprop in our country and while pressuring our government to do something, these are not mutually exclusive actions.
is therefore effrctively scapegoating for lack of personal success
Ah yes, we criticize China because we are failures, not because they are the most powerful ML state in existence right now and one of the only states capable of doing something against a literal genocide. How is that not the idealism you accuse me of?
No matter how exasperating the situation we musn’t fall into liberal paradigms and have a dialectical approach.
Like you're doing right now by not even taking into consideration the material reality of countries worldwide in their capacity of doing something against the genocide and just saying we are a failure? Come on now.
Socialism is not utopian; one must consider what the strategic concessions are needed to survive. I am reminded by Western Marxists who are aghast that McDonalds exists in China but that is what socialism looks like in that place in this timeline
If I'm not misinterpreting you here, I don't think you're aiming this at me and just putting it out there for other people that might read it. But I'll use it as a disclaimer that I'm not a Western Marxist nor a Trot.
I support China and will continue to do so, but I'll also criticize them when it is appropriate, they are not marbled gods incapable of mistake.
I think we are talking past each other at this point.
The failure of Marxist movements elsewhere is not an excuse for China's lack of action on Palestine. You can use my example of the conditions of why Brasil can't meaningfully enact change on Palestine to other countries around the world and it would fit just as well because basically no country other than China right now have the material conditions to enact such change.
So, in this specific case, it doesn't matter that we are failing, because even if we were not, and let's say Brasil turns socialist tomorrow, it would still not be able to help Palestine in any meaningful way, because to reach such a stage it would take much more time than Palestine have left. Yet, China is at such stage right now.
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capital’s penchant for war is not beholden to such rationalisations.
Yes, but the US has already tried some of the things I mentioned and ended up backpedaling once the consequences of such actions hit their economy and their dominant class. I'm not saying they won't do it because of these rationalizations. What I'm saying is that if they do it, the scales are not in their favor, they will suffer the consequences heavily of their own actions. They are an empire in decline.
one is asking China and its peoples to burden the risk of war and escalation of aggression because Brazilians (in this context) have not managed to out organise the US to stop the genocide
What? We don't have the power to do so. I wish we could just pressure our government to do something, but that's materially impossible. We are a neoliberal country with a well spoken president, a vastly unprepared and unequipped heavily reactionary military and a heavily far right congress, all while having the Zionist Bolsonarismo ideology still being well alive in the population even if Bolsonaro himself has fell out of grace.
Yes, we are still extremely small as Marxists in Brasil. Yes we could be doing much better, but you can't possible compare us and our situation to the US or China.
Even if we managed to do just what you're saying. The moment us, a country with no nuclear weapons and a heavily unprepared army start doing anything against Israel on the ground, the US will immediately bomb our door to shreds. This is in no way comparable at all with what China can do and is actively failing to do.
Besides, you can use this argument for every single country on earth right now.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying we are also not responsible for letting the genocide happen. Like I said, no one is doing anything, everyone is complicit. We have been pressuring our government to stop trade with Israel, unfortunately with no success, even when Israel kidnaps Brasilians like it happened in the flotilla.
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Rich coming from the person claiming artists are not workers and doubling down on name calling by accusing me of "Proudhonism" and "crocodile-tears-workerism" for pointing out how fucked up it is to have the position your holding in regards to artists. But I guess I can't expect much from the same person that last time we argued just shifted the blame of China not doing enough for Palestine into third world Marxists because apparently they aren't organizing to make China do something, somehow. Essentially excusing the Palestinian genocide.
This is my last response, I'm not engaging further. Like I said, I'm not discussing this again on this site. If you want to know what my claims and opinions on this are you're free to search on my profile.