Dasus

Challenging something doesn't mean "randomly antagonistic".

Believe, you'd know if I was being antagonistic. You're just painting your own assumptions onto actually neutral text. It's a very common problem for the,, eh, less cognitively capable.

So essentially what you're doing is "I didn't read that because I'm not here to have a conversation I'm here to win". So... I'm guessing an American in their early 20's, still seeing everything and anything as some competition?

So when someone with actual hunting experience shows you up, you just run away with your tail between your legs. Or perhaps it was actually that the comment was literally too long for you to even read.

And it proving you just so wrong makes it impossible for you to address anything in it even if you did manage to read it.

Get rekt, kiddo.

Try DMT, that should answer some questions.

Haven't called you a vegan, actually. Comparing a thing to another thing isn't saying that thing is the thing.

But American literacy, so, it's alright.

"like half" the reason people go hunting. You know that that's not saying "precisely 50% of all deer are killed for their antlers", right

Yes, I do. It's still a massively gross overestimation. That's like saying fishermen fish for those weird filled record fish that the occasional weird restaurant has. Definitely not "half" or even close.

Ah, in the states it's illegal to discharge a firearm in a populated area, which is why hunters can't hunt in cities.

Same thing here, would you believe it? You thought our gun or hunting regulations are less than in the US where a large portion of the population is armed and you're not required to prove your sanity before being allowed to get a firearm?

The friend I was with serves the exact purpose that the "police snipers" you talked about do. We just outsource them to hunters who actually know what theyre doing, not gun crazy pigs.

He has a licence for that shit (thus the suppressor as well, required for it) and is also the only hunter I've know who has a permit for a handgun for executing animals. (It's not too rare for veteran hunters but I moved out instead of becoming one so only got to see his. Shot plenty of others tho, from non-hunters, including our heritage wwii officers pistol.)

I'm not rambling or crazy. I'm writing on forums. Don't take everything as a personal attack just because it's not 100% agreeal.

In any case, you seem really torn between wanting to defend hunters and to insult American hunters

Neither really. I defend all deer management for obvious societal reasons. That deer management involves culling. You SEEM TO (I emphasise it so you understand its what it looks like to me, whilst I'm not actually stating I think it's 100% on the money) have a weird image about hunters. Maybe you only know some chad hunter's who do it to feel macho or something. But idk anyone like that, mainly because it's such harder here to get a hunting permit. Deer, rabbits, not too hard. You still got to pass a general theory and shooting test. For moose and other larger game, you have to be part of the hunting club and live in the same municipality. Because it deters touristy trophy hunting, and forces the emphasis on managing wildlife.

While shooting is ofc what a lot of hunters enjoy (not killing, per se, don't make them out as psychos), it's the meat that they more value. And most of the managing is setting up feeding places, counting populations, spotting them etc.

Which I firmly believe to be the case in a lot of places in US as well. Ofc there's a lot of difference as well, but you're sort of skipping over the majority of hunters who're basically ever so slightly on the spectrum, love nature more than humans, and also happen to kill some of the nature, because to keep it pristine you must prune. Because humans settled these parts long ago and we just can't have wolves roaming woods surrounding farms. Doesn't work.

I wish it did. If love wolves. And hunters and farmers are way too aggressive against them. But unfortunately some truths are annoying.

You're still stressing recreational hunting. Implying you understand there's also non-recreational hunting. And I can tell you that for most of the year, the hunting is just boring animal management, and not "recreational" to the people except because those people like being alone in the woods making grain piles and setting up salt rocks and sitting on the aides of fields for hours just staring at dark field until they can spot some deer.

We could do things more effectively and better for the environment but farmers, hunting groups and people who make money off the hunters don't want that.

Yeah. The USA definitely could. Your deer management culture seems shit. That doesn't mean all the hunters are. Small but crucial difference.

But no, hunting is not a profit game here. Ergo "US is capitalist shit hole with poor hunting practices, recreational or no"

I made a comment about how recreational hunting isn't critical to land management

Yeah. But hunting is.

Because this is about deer management, and not hunting antlers to put up on your wall.

You don't seem to understand the difference. You clearly have a very stereotypical idea of hunter in your head. I wonder if you actually know any irl.

Haha, whitetail even better as it's literally the smallest deer in the US as common as fuck.

Hunters are restricted to one or two deer.

Per lifetime? Wow. You really mean that? Two deers during their whole life? Are you sure you're not trying to conflating a season to an entirely lifetime to make the "half are for antlers" shit fit?

There are also rules restricting which deer you can kill at different times centered around antler size.

No shit, deer management has actual rules? No way? Who could've seen this coming? And exactly how well do people who just come in and buy a right to shoot them know these laws? Not at all? Huh. Almost sounds like this "recreational hunting" is different from actual deer management. Which is what the discussion was about.

the city government gets the state government to issue a permit for police sharpshooters to do it

Yeah we just use the same hunters, because our hunters are actually regulated and tested. I've been with a friend to shoot a deer in between two houses. (We did have a suppressor, but they're not like in the movies and it just makes it less unbearably loud.) It had to be shot as it had been injured.

But yes, exactly. The deer need managing and a lot (but not all or necessarily even most) of that management is culling.

And you can't try to repopulate Chicago's wolf population, can you?

Whatever country you're in seems to regulate hunting based on "hunting clubs"

Wrong.

I already explained to you that part. You just inferred incorrectly. ;> (Perhaps Google moose management vs deer management)

Deer management is mostly the same in the US. You just do it worse.

borderline sociopathic. Why do people join clubs to mass kill deer if they don't get a trophy or meat

Again, you don't seem to understand what you're talking about and projecting some weird fucking vegan stereotype of a hunter.

How exactly is it sociopathic to manage deer without seeing them as "trophies"? How psychopathic would you need to be to consider this

little thing as "a trophy"? A "trophy" of what? Having managed to kill a helpless dumbdumb sheep of the woods who don't have two braincells to rub together, when you're armed with a scoped rifle?

Ofc they get the meat. I do too. (Perks of having a brother who hunts. I'd do it myself if I didn't live in the city. It's technically possible but Karens and cops and I grow weed so I don't risk it, since hanging a deer on my balcony would make Karens call cops)

But the main point of doing it is to MANAGE the deer population, because if you don't do that, they whole ecology fails from deer overpopulating, overbrowsing and destroying the environment. Not to mention all the increased car crashes which can endanger lives.

Just because vegans are too shy to accept death is a natural part of life doesn't make it go away. It's easy sitting in your city apartment and judging those who actually work to help nature. (I do currently live in the city yeah but the first 2.5 decades I didn't)

Our family for instance managed the deer because we owned forests. So it kinda makes sense to keep the nature around the forests functional.

But no, yeah "love of killing". Make me laugh more city boy

A 800kg towering moose is a "pest" to you, eh? I mean, they can be a bit pesty by behaviour, but I don't think that's quite what you were looking for, lol. Ever wondered how it is to crash into an 800kg moose? It's not safe, I tell you that. So managing them can't really be left to fukwits with money and zero training, can it? Because that would be literally giving zero fucks about animals and nature and instead purely caring about profits.

We have people who kill pest animals, but they're not typically classified as hunters, and if they're culling deer they're probably employed by the government and the meat is legally required to go to charity if it's fit to eat

Source: "I just made this the fuck up because I'm a lazy reader and don't know two shits about hunting anywhere in the world"

You're the one who brought up trophy hunting.

Because you clearly don't understand that that's what you were talking about..?

Roe deer need management. A lot of it. And no-one is planting their antlers.

We don't have roe deer here

Well sika is about the same size.

You're imagining that only the handsome large ones get shot. When most of deer management is boring ass sitting and shooting roughly dog-sized herbivores.

And

There's a quota and if it doesn't get claimed

Not getting fulfilled isn't the problem. It's fulfilling it too well if there's profit to be made so easily. God what a capitalist shithole.

People put the trophy's on the wall,

I could bet my left testicle you don't actually know any hunters irl. Strongly seems that way.

Or was it that all the "hunters" you know have only shot two deer in their entire lives?

Because that's ridiculous. :D

I don't know a single hunter who doesn't have at least the antlers of their best buck

Oh so most the hunters you know are so shit they've only killed two deer ever, since you said it was half the reason?

I don't know a single hunter with deer antlers on the wall. Maybe in the 70's akd 80's if you happened to fell a particularly old buck with like 10 spikes or more.

But anyone under the age of 60 hasn't had antlers hanging on their walls since the 90's. Last time I saw some coincided with heavily nicotine yellow walls from indoor smoking.

Hunting roe deer is like shooting vermin, basically. While selling deer tags (apparently that's what you call felling permits) is apparently possible and hunting licences don't have tests and you can buy them as non-residents (jesus the US really is a capitalist shithole), who the fuck would want to hunt roe deer? I can see some large red deer being attractive for hunters, but that's veering into trophy hunting. And since tje conversation is about population control and not trophy hunting, I don't know why you're bringing it up. ^(/s)

Oh that's what the "S" stands for.

I just can't respect someone's opinions on writing when they don't know it's not "cannon".

Sometimes some populations are controlled. Like moose for instance. The populations are much smaller, and thus need more careful managing, so you can't just kill any moose you like. A hunting club gets a certain amount of felling permits, and you can't hunt without belonging to a hunting club, and you can't join a hunting club unless you live in the municipality of the hunting club.

Hunting deer for the antlers is about half the reason people do it.

Where exactly is it legal to just sell felling permits to tourists, instead of requiring all hunters to actually have a local licence?

For deer.

Trophy hunting is quite different and also usually illegal.

"Some romantic music"

Like actually romantic music that fits the scene or George Michael's 'Careless Whisper'?

My grandparents on my mom's side became Jehovas at a later age.

Grandma used to send longwinded letters about Satan and whatnot. When I grew up a bit I started to take enjoyment in just talking to her about Christianity, but just in a way that pointed out the irrationality, as she would always hang up, mad, because she didn't have the answers. Like just the problem of Evil, but framing it so that Satan might be evil, but God made him, so what does that make God? Things like that, can't recall, she passed away like 10 years ago.

What about Trill nonsense?

It all started when Eisenhower let Billy Graham in the White House because, " what can a little prayer breakfast hurt?"

Also, he changed the official national motto from "E Pluribus Unum" (out of many, one) to "In God We Trust".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

The first postage stamps with the motto appeared in 1954. A law passed in July 1955 by a joint resolution of the 84th Congress (Pub. L. 84–140) and approved by President Dwight Eisenhower requires that "In God We Trust" appear on all American currency.

Conditional pacifism

Tapping into just war theory conditional pacifism represents a spectrum of positions departing from positions of absolute pacifism. One such conditional pacifism is the common pacificism, which may allow defense but is not advocating a default defensivism[10] or even interventionism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism#Types

Well that was fucking easy. /thread

Well depends on what I'd have obviously, and what the island is like.

But assume basic glamping equipment and a perfect island and I'd be better than now.

Of course crashing on an atoll somewhere without any equipment would be pretty bleak. Deadly even.

... It does

Oh, just any technobabble ever is enough to make something hard scifi and reasonable to you? I don't think you've ever used reason, then. Which is sort of the issue here.

You can't reason why the contradictions aren't contradictions, you just stomp your foot "no no no I'm right and I don't have to reason in it any way"

I'm guessing you consider Rick & Morty intellectual hard scifi as well, with those criteria.

Yeah true screenshot not a photo.

Anyway, it's very clearly stated in it that it's real food that he's providing, with a strong implication that otherwise it'd be holographic.

But I think most of what you have is pure conjecture.

You know, because the holodecks are about as scientific as the TARDIS.

Which you just refuse to admit, despite the various contradictions one can just rattle a list of.

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Desensitization to guns

What happens if you have technology from 100 millennia in the future today?

Desensitization to guns

Desensitization to guns

Desensitization to guns

Desensitization to guns

Might have been useful on a number of occasions

Might have been useful on a number of occasions

Desensitization to guns

Desensitization to guns

Cardassian nonesense

Have you ever come into contact with real sectarians?

Cardassian nonesense

Cardassian nonesense

Christian Nationalism Has Arrived in Britain

What are your thoughts on people who are against pacifism?

vacation

YSK : If you feel sad, eat an Orange

what happens in the holodeck ,.. has to be cleaned by someone

what happens in the holodeck ,.. has to be cleaned by someone

Writers: "we need some sort of dickhead in the bar to further the plot" Art&costume dept: "Hmm, 'a dickhead', you say?"

This video is INSANELY ILLEGAL

Thousands of consumer routers hacked by Russia’s military

Kyiv says Russian troops need Starlink so badly they're trying to get Ukrainians to register terminals for them

Results of pro-Russian information manipulation and disinformation monitoring targeting Ukraine-EU relations during June – August, 2025

Artemis II orbits the Moon.

Why Siberia Might Actually Secede From Russia

Sweden accuses Russia of GPS jamming over Baltic Sea

‘For Russians, Nato is next to Satan’: Finnish guards on alert at Russia border

Saturday cooking thread?

"Wario" is a Japanese portmanteu of Mario and "warui" (bad), but in Finnish "Wario" is also a homonym of "varjo", "shadow".

I'm looking for a specific bit, can't seem to find it. A standup is impressed by a... Edit found it it was Marc Maron and “the Legend of Frankie Bastille”

Updated to a new phone last December. Now I've lost the old one, and I last backed it up four years ago.

Nails are just vestigial claws.

You can't make out a single sentence from this screen grab I took while reading an article.

Isn't "MAGA" an admission that currently, America is NOT great?