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  • GAZA: 3,195 children killed in three weeks surpasses annual number of children killed in conflict zones since 2019

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  • Bigger font doesn't make you more right.

    You can choose whatever age you deem acceptable for the Qassam Brigades and do some math to get the “real” number of children victims

    That's just the thing with manipulating numbers - we can't do the math. That's why it's so effective and why you need to apply critical reading to these kind of reports.

    And if they were armed teens, should we kill them

    Answer me this - say you have a group of people preparing to launch a rocket. That rocket is inaccurate but they aim it towards a city. There's a high chance that you'll be able to intercept it, but there's always a chance that it'll fall on a building and kill civilians.

    You can target this group, drop a bomb on them and stop them from firing this rocket. Now you learn that 2 of them are 17 years old. Do you drop the bomb? Or do you let them fire the rocket?

  • GAZA: 3,195 children killed in three weeks surpasses annual number of children killed in conflict zones since 2019

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  • You're ignoring the main points and attacking a straw man again.

  • GAZA: 3,195 children killed in three weeks surpasses annual number of children killed in conflict zones since 2019

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  • I was referring to "It’s small wonder that people support Hamas and children join the only force that seems to be fighting for them".

    There's little love (and that's a huge understatement) between Hamas and the PLO and children in the west bank rarely join Hamas.

  • GAZA: 3,195 children killed in three weeks surpasses annual number of children killed in conflict zones since 2019

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  • You need to get out of whatever echo chamber you're in.

  • GAZA: 3,195 children killed in three weeks surpasses annual number of children killed in conflict zones since 2019

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  • The only thing that’s really propaganda here is your comment

    How so?

    A child conscripted to fight in a war is still a child

    I agree, but I'll copy what I answered the other comment about this exactly: It’s never ok, but unfortunately this is war and war is shit. An ak47 in the hands of a 12 years old can kill just as well as one in the hands of a 20 years old.

    in the Philippines, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Cambodia, many regions of Africa and essentially wherever there were children-soldiers, the ones that indoctrinated them, trained them and placed firearms in their hands were the ones who were blamed for their deaths.

    You seem to hold Israel as the only one accountable for it.

  • GAZA: 3,195 children killed in three weeks surpasses annual number of children killed in conflict zones since 2019

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  • A worldwide charity that’s existed for 100 years, whose exclusive mission is trying to save children from war, is a very good example of propaganda

    Absolutely, 100%. Human rights organisations are not unbiased news outlets - they have agendas and objectives. Their objectives are commendable ones, and the work they do is invaluable, but they still utilise propaganda as a means to an end. As good and important as this end is, their reports should be received with the same amount of caution and critical thinking as any report coming from anyone with an objective in this.

    you say that one is too many but then you say “don’t fall for this guys, it’s not nearly that many

    That's just a straw man. I never suggested that it's not that many. It can be 3,257 and it could be 0. I just pointed out the information manipulation.

    Are you saying it’s ok to murder minors because they’re armed

    It's never ok, but unfortunately this is war and war is shit. An ak47 in the hands of a 12 years old can kill just as well as one in the hands of a 20 years old.

    Another point for you to consider is that traditionally, in the Philippines, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Cambodia, many regions of Africa and essentially wherever there were children-soldiers, the ones that indoctrinated them, trained them and placed firearms in their hands were the ones who were blamed for their deaths.

    You seem to hold Israel as the only one accountable for it.

  • GAZA: 3,195 children killed in three weeks surpasses annual number of children killed in conflict zones since 2019

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  • Just one inaccuracy - there were no settlers in Gaza for nearly 20 years.

  • GAZA: 3,195 children killed in three weeks surpasses annual number of children killed in conflict zones since 2019

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  • To make it perfectly clear - the fact that children are dying is reprehensible and it should be stopped. Even if one innocent child died, from both sides, it's one too many.

    That being said, this is a very good example of propaganda by partial information and numbers manipulations.

    The UN report in question identifies anyone under the age of 18 as a child. The Al-Qassam brigades recruit teens from the age of 16 to active combative roles (some reports suggest an even younger age).

    It's impossible to know how many of these 3,257 children are actually children and how many are armed teens, and the UN report references that. The propaganda completely ignores this part and reframes this information as if more than 3,000 young and innocent children were slain.

  • As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

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  • And I'm saying that you're wrong. The Arab-Jewish conflict can be traced long before Israel and many Jews lived or arrive to the area before many of the Palestinians.

    It's a very complex conflict, that it's currently deadlocked and unsolvable. The colonisation in the west bank is just one small part of it, and the easiest one to solve. Presenting it as if it's the main or only issue is what I meant by Americanising the conflict.

  • As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

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  • Really? that's odd, where did I say that?

  • As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

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  • They literally raided for less than a day and than ran back with hostages

    That's incorrect - the Israelis continued to capture and kill them inside Israel even a week after the attack. Some of the terrorists came with provisions that were meant to last for a long time, until the area calmed down, and then to launch a second attack from the inside.

    Hamas released videos from the tunnels showing stockpiles of weaponry and supplies. The hostages also testified that they showered every other day, while the rest of Gaza is essentially cut from water supply. Those water had to come from somewhere.

  • As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

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  • Al Jazeera is a Qatar funded news outlet, and the Qatari government has tight relationship with Hamas. I would take their reports cautiously.

    Reuters and AP are the most unbiased it seems, but it's always a good practice to follow multiple outlets - both pro and against each side.

  • As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

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  • You're mixing Gaza and the west bank.

    This is about Gaza and Hamas. The IDF had no presence in Gaza for 20 years now and Israel has not displaced anyone from there since 1967.

    Unless your argument is that Hamas represents all the Palestinians everywhere?

  • As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

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  • I see.

    A few days ago a group of Israelis tortured, killed and then burned the bodies of a couple Palestinians. They said that it's in revenge of the events of 7/10.

    Do you also understand and perhaps even justify it?

  • As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

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  • Are you saying that the Egyptians are oppressed?

    Also Hamas won the elections by a small margin, just a few percentages more than the PLO at the time. It's not like everyone in Gaza rallied behind them (at least then).

    The reason that there were no elections after that is that once they won, they Putin'ed the opposition and threw all the PLO party members from the building rooftop.

  • As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

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  • I was referring to the attack on 7/10.

    You framed it as a battle in an ongoing war that been going since Israel was founded.

    I answered that if we want to look at the history of the Jewish Arab conflict it can be traced to the early days of Islam.

    Your response to that was false propaganda.

  • As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

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  • Mate.. that's cramping 17 million Palestinians (who some hate each other as much as they hate Israelis) together with 9 million Israelis in this tiny region that can barely support the existing population, and all that without even solving any of the legal or values parts of this conflict.

    I reckon it'll be an all-v-all bloodbath..

  • As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

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  • But remember you asked me, a lay person, to solve this intense geo political issue, I’m giving you my best stab at it

    No, I understand and appreciate your attempt.

    In this solution, do the Palestinians also get the right of return?

  • As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

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  • Assuming that it's an honest question and not just bait - at this point I would say indoctrination.

    Hamas is in power in Gaza for more than 20 years.

    That means that every person in Gaza under the age of 25 went to schools run by Hamas, only read books that were written or approved by Hamas, only saw television shows and movies that were made or approved by Hamas etc.

    Since more than 50% of the people in Gaza are under 25, and from those that are over 25 about 50% voted for Hamas, I reckon that the current situation is that most people there only know Hamas and its ideology.