psycotica0

I'm not sure I understand. Like right now I believe I've heard that Germany has a 60€ pass or something. How does that prevent demand from surging? Wouldn't the people who can't afford a car be the ones they would have more trouble with the 60€? Presumably the car people could pay for fare already.

Though it is true that they aren't, and maybe the idea is that they would ride the free train, because any price is enough to keep them as "car people"?

Right... but isn't the whole point of these passes to encourage people to use the systems?

I guess it's possible the price is chosen such that it encourages the right number of people and no more?

Given your tone and general panic, I'm going to say don't look into Guix. It's technically interesting, but I don't think it's for you where you're at. 😛

And I mean this with love, not gatekeeping.

For hundreds, if not thousands, of years now nerds and their like have been saying "sports is dumb and boring and stupid" and for hundreds, if not thousands, of years now something like 40% of the population has loved them vehemently.

Might be worth someone looking into why someday...

I mostly agree, but I'll also admit something embarrassing: the first time I heard one, I didn't recognize the names of any of the groups or treaties mentioned, despite living in the area most of my adult life. So in that sense it educated me, and made it so their names are names I now recognize.

Sure, I could have looked it up, should have looked it up, but I didn't. And now I know.

I'm curious about these, this one and the German one people talk about. Obviously the price is meant to be a good price, but at that price why not just make it free? Do so many people buy the pass that it actually makes a noticeable income? Or is it just to keep very poor people from having it?

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It's really easy! If you imagine that a black person and a white person could never be friends or spend positive time together, and then you saw a show that had them together, you might conclude the show is trying to convince you something is okay that you know is not. Propaganda.

If you imagine that a gay person is inherently wrong, and that bad things deserve to happen to them as punishment for their choices, and then you watch a show where a gay person is happy and normal and respected, you might conclude the show is trying to push an idea on you that you already know isn't right. Propaganda.

It's sad, and dangerous, but it's not complicated.

Relevant coverage from the YouTube channel People Make Games:

First Video (one month ago)

Follow-up (two weeks ago)

Can we call it a Stubb Snub?

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I mean, pushing pennies up my nose is a transferable skill in that I could push pennies up anyone else's nose, and I could even make a whole TV career out of a show where I push pennies up people's noses on the street.

So I'll instead amend my statement to say that guile isn't a common or often sought after skill. 😉

I fully support this correction, and I'm glad I know more than I did before. Thanks!

NixOS (and GuixSD) is a whole operating system. But base guix and Nix is a package manager that you can install into any existing distro and use for as many or as few packages as you want.

So you can give it a shot in roughly no time, is what I'm saying.

The main difference between the full system ones and the package manager ones is obviously that it manages system level packages and the kernel, but also that they have configuration systems setup to run daemons and manage system config. But other than that it's just the same paradigm as the package manager version.

Yeah! I was just coming here to recommend GuixSD or NixOS! Not because they're normal, but because they're not, and you have an opportunity to screw around 😅

Fedora and Debian are different but also pretty similar. Arch or Gentoo are more different. The atomics like bazzite and silverblue are even more different. And then there's NixOS and GuixSD that are basically a completely different paradigm of how to setup a system. And that might be frustrating if it doesn't work for you, but as a test computer go wild! Heck, try NixOS and GuixSD to experience their differences from each other!

The only other thing I might recommend for a challenge is something like Linux From Scratch where you don't have any distro and you just build everything yourself. Definitely not recommended for normal people! It's a project rather than something you can just try out for a weekend. And it may be frustrating, who knows. But if you're into that kind of thing it may be enlightening!

Listen, I use guix so I'm not against you, but claiming that Guile, or even any scheme / lisp, is a transferable skill is a stretch 😛

As a software developer for 20 years, configuring guix is the only time I've encountered guile. And the only time I've used any kind of lisp is when I forced myself to during a coding challenge or advent of code thing, just for interest's sake.

So again, I know what you're saying, but for me, deep in the industry, guile might as well be a bespoke language for configuring guix 😅

All of her facial features are a bit bigger on the left, like her nose. I wonder if it's a focal length thing like this dude?

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Yeaaaaaaah, I wasn't sure whether or not to put that somewhere or not, and eventually decided not. I devalued all env vars, which I would feel like I had to move up to get into the PATH. I love the path, and I do agree with you that is important for understanding how the system really works, and how you can add your own commands, but I guess I figure that's a good Shell 201. For someone who wants to start using it, and isn't sure what a grep is or why a cat is involved, I figure they're not yet primed to care where these things live on their disk.

But soon after, for sure! And obviously others can disagree with me.

Before you get too lost, I want to write a tiny intro:

The terminal (also called shell and sometimes command prompt, even though these are technically different things) is a place where you run commands.

If you open one right now and type ls (that is a lower case L), and then hit enter, it will list the files in your current folder. And it spits that out as text, which will be important later. So that's the gist, ls is a program that does something, and you type the name of it to run it, and it outputs its result as text.

Most commands have "flags", which are options you give it when you run it. ls -l is ls run with the "l" flag (also lower case L). If you run that you'll see it lists more information per file this time. The mnemonic here is "l for long". There are lots of flags, and you can usually combine them with a single dash, so ls -lth is the same as ls -l -t -h, which lists extra data, sorts by time, and uses human readable units like "3GB" instead of 3096432764 bytes.

There are also "long flags" that start with two dashes by convention. These would look like ls -l --time --human-readable which does the same thing as before, but is more readable but less compact. Long options don't combine the way short options do, so you need to separate them with spaces.

Some flags need values. Like ls -l --sort size which is usually the same as ls -l --sort=size but confusingly not the same as ls -l --sort = size (note the spaces) which makes sense if you know how these things work, but for now you just need to accept.

Commands also have "arguments", which are not flags. Sometimes also called "parameters". So for ls up until now we've been just listing the current folder over and over, but ls can list any folder, like ls Documents or ls Downloads, and that can be combined with flags, usually before the arguments, like ls -lth Downloads.

Okay, so that's flags and arguments, but you may be wondering how do you know what flags are available and what they do? Two main options!

The first is called a "man page", man being short for manual. Man itself is a command that opens essentially instructions for a command, in the terminal itself, and you can use the arrow keys to go up and down and "q" to quit. Try man ls to see what is it's got for you. You usually don't need to read it to to bottom and understand everything, you normally just go looking for something in particular. You can also use / in man to search for something, like /sort to look for the word sort. And then n and N go forward and back searching for the next and previous hit for that search. Also man -k search will search through the man pages looking for things that match, in this case, the term "search" and list you commands. You may want that for being like "there's gotta be a way to do this, but I don't know what the command is!". Also man pages are sorted into sections, and contains more than just commands. So you only care a out the things in section 1 for now.

The second way to get help is that most commands, but not all, will have a -h or --help flag that tells them to list their own help as output instead of what they normally do. So ls --help lists the options it supports.

Quoting! You may have noticed the shell is sensitive to spaces. So imagine you had a folder with a space in the name. If you ran ls My Folder, it would break that into two arguments, My and Folder, and would try to find you the contents of both of those two folders, which would fail because they don't exist! So to fix that we have two options: quoting and escaping. You can wrap it in quotes like ls "My Folder" to tell the shell "this is all one unit, don't break it up", or you can "escape" the space by putting a backslash before it, like ls My\ Folder to tell it "this next space isn't a splitting one, so please include it in the argument". The backslash won't be there by the time ls sees it, it's just telling the shell how to split the arguments.

And then pipes! Pipes are the killer feature of the shell, as they allow you to take the output of one command and make it the input of the next. And some commands are built with this in mind. Like grep, which can search its input for things that match the pattern given as its argument. Like ls Downloads | grep pdf, which will take the list of files we're used to seeing ls output to us, and instead feed that to grep which will filter it down to just the pdfs. There's a lot you can do with these pipelines, because you could then take the output of grep and pipe it to something else to further process it, etc.

So that's nowhere near everything, not even close, but it's hopefully enough to be able to wander around the big wide world and know what the heck people are talking about, and at least how to read what you're seeing.

Quick note! The command rm means remove. It deletes files, and it doesn't use a trash can or anything, they're just gone. So be very careful with that one! And if some jackass out there tries to get you to run rm -rf / or some equivalent, DON'T DO IT. That stands for "remove" with the flags "recursive", which means descend into child folders and keep going, and "force" which means delete things even if you shouldn't. Then it has the argument of "/" which is the root of your filesystem, meaning a recursive operation on that will effect every file on your computer. So essentially this command deletes all files on your machine. Bad. 😅

Here's some quick notes to give words to other things you might see and have trouble looking up!

ls $HOME: the thing after the $ is an "environment variable", which is some value your shell has stored and allows you to inject into the command. You can run the env command to see what variables there currently are
echo blah is a command that just outputs its args (argument is such a long word). It's useful for injecting words into a pipeline, or outputting environment variables, like echo $HOME
ls ~/Pictures: The "tilde" is just a shortcut for your home folder, so it's actually the same as ls "$HOME/Pictures", but it's so common to do things relative to your homedir, that it's a shortcut.
ls | less: the less command is great, because it takes its input and presents it in an interactive scrollable thing sometimes called a "pager". This is actually what man uses to present its pages, so the same arrow keys and q applies, but you can take any output and put it in less
ls `echo Documents` or ls $(echo Documents) are two equivalent ways of running a command in a subshell, and then having the result be itself and argument for the outer command. So echo spits out "Documents" as its output, but not to us. That output is then an argument to ls, which just runs like ls Documents. This is different than a pipe, but is a other way commands can be linked together to form larger units. The first one is called "back-ticks" by the way.
sudo whoami: sudo is a command that "does" something as "super user". S U DO. It's used to escalate your privileges. So maybe a normal user can't install packages, but sudo whatever can. The sudo command just asks your password and gets you access, the runs the rest of the command as-is. You'll see this a lot in instructions people give.

I think that's enough to get off the ground? Good luck!

The world tells me I'm white, but if I had to name my skin I'd say it's pretty clearly pink 😛

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Spain to launch €60 monthly nationwide public transport pass

Spain to launch €60 monthly nationwide public transport pass

The True North Strong and Free

Easiest way to change distros after having settled comfortably into one?

Public sports competitions is pointless and in any sane world should not cost millions, because no one would be watching them.

The True North Strong and Free

Spain to launch €60 monthly nationwide public transport pass

Introducing Taskpony!

PBS is "the propaganda"?

Grand Theft Auto: Game creator sacked us for trying to unionise

Finnish president cancels US trip and travels to Berlin for Ukraine talks

And so it begins

Actual theft

And so it begins

And so it begins

And so it begins

Actual theft

Tips/Resources on the Shell.

Tips/Resources on the Shell.

Linux 6.19 Gets Rid Of The Kernel's "Genocide" Function