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lemmyvore

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  • The Dislike to Ubuntu

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  • It's not an issue on Arch & derivates, due to the simple fact I mentioned above: third-party (AUR) packages are never allowed to use the name of an official package.

    If a third-party package was already using a name that a new official package wishes to use, users are required to willingly uninstall the third-party package in order to be allowed to install the official one, and can never re-install the third-party package unless it changes its name.

    It also helps that there's only one third-party repo (the AUR) so it prevents name overlaps among third-party packages. Although that's of secondary importance since it can be bypassed by crafting custom packages locally.

    I appreciate the difficulty of enacting such a rule on Debian or Ubuntu now, considering the vast amount of already existing, widely established third-party repos, and also the fact that Debian official repos contain 3-4 times as many packages as Arch official repos. Which is why I think there's no way to fix this aspect of Debian/Ubuntu anymore.

    I'm not saying that makes them unusable... but I believe that anybody who uses them should be [made] aware of this caveat. It's not readily apparent and by the time it bites a new user she's probably already invested a couple of years in them.

  • The Dislike to Ubuntu

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  • Interesting, I'll keep it in mind.

    Still not sure it would help in all cases. Particularly when 3rd party repos have to override core packages because they need to be patched to support whatever they're installing. Which is another very bad practice in the Ubuntu/Debian world, granted.

  • The Dislike to Ubuntu

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  • I'm not sure how that would help. First of all, it would still end up blocking proper updates. Secondly, it's hard to figure out what exactly you're supposed to pin.

  • The Dislike to Ubuntu

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  • Third party package mechanism is fundamentally broken in Ubuntu (and in Debian).

    Third party repos should never be allowed to use package names from the core repos. But they are, so they pretend they're core packages, but use different version names, and at upgrade time the updater doesn't know what to do with those version and how to solve dependencies.

    That leaves you with a broken system where you can't upgrade and can't do anything entirely l eventually except a clean reinstall.

    After this happened several times while using Ubuntu I resorted to leaving more and more time between major upgrades, running old versions on extended support or even unsupported.

    Eventually I figured that if I'm gonna reinstall from scratch I might as well install a different distro.

    I should note I still run Debian on my server, because that's a basic install with just core packages and everything else runs in Docker.

    So if you delegate your package management to a completely different tool, like Flatpak, I guess you can continue to use Ubuntu. But it seems dumb to be required to resort to Flatpak to make Ubuntu usable.

  • Critical Unauthenticated RCE Flaws in CUPS Printing Systems

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  • How do you avoid interaction if it's being done automatically by your machine when you open up a print dialog, and if malicious servers can use the same names as legit printers?

  • Valve Engineer Mike Blumenkrantz Hoping To Accelerate Wayland Protocol Development

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  • People often think that things like recording your screen or keylogging are the worst but they're not. These attacks would require you to be targeted by someone looking for something specific.

    Meanwhile automated attacks can copy all your files, or encrypt them (ransomware), search for sensitive information, or use your hardware for bad things (crypto mining, spam, DDoS, spreading the malware further), or most likely all of the above.

    Automated attacks are much more dangerous and pervasive because they are conducted at massive scale. Bots scan massive amounts of IPs and try all the known exploits and vulnerabilities without getting tired, without caring how daunting it may be, without even caring if they're trying the right vulnerability against the right kind of OS or app. They just spray everything and see what sticks.

    You're thousands of times more likely to be caught by such malware than it is to be targeted by someone with the skill and motive to record your screen or your keyboard.

    Secondly, if someone like that targets you and has access to your user account, Wayland won't stop them. They can gain access to your root account, they can install elevated spyware, they can patch Wayland and so on.

    What Wayland is doing is the equivalent of asking you to wear a motorcycle helmet 24/7, just in case you slip on some spilled juice, or a flower pot falls on your head, or the bus you're in crashes. All those things are possible and the helmet would come in handy but are they likely? We don't do it because it's not, and it would be a major inconvenience.

  • Linux middle ground?

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  • You were merely lucky that they didn't break.

    Lucky... over 5 years and with a hundred AUR packages installed at any given time? I should play the lottery.

    I've noticed you haven't given me any example of AUR packages that can't be installed on Manjaro right now, btw.

    it wasn't just a rise in popularity of Arch it was Manjaro's PAMAC sending too many requests DDoSing the AUR.

    You do realize that was never conlusively established, right? (1) Manjaro was already using search caching when that occured so they had no way to spam AUR, (2) there's more than one distro using pamac, and (3) anybody can use "pamac" as a user agent and there's no way to tell if it's coming from an actual Manjaro install.

    My money is on someone actually DDoS'ing AUR and using pamac as a convenient scapegoat.

    Last but not least you're trying to use this to divert from the fact AUR packages work fine on Manjaro.

  • Valve Engineer Mike Blumenkrantz Hoping To Accelerate Wayland Protocol Development

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  • That's exactly the problem. Wayland is a set of standards, more akin to FreeDesktop.Org than to X. It lives and dies by its implementations, and it's so utterly dependent on them that "KDE Wayland" has started to become its own thing. KDE are pretty much forging ahead alone nowadays and when they make changes it becomes the way to do it. Also what they do can't be shared with other desktops because they'd have to use KDE's own subsystems and become dependent on its whims.

    It wasn't supposed to be "Kdeland" and "Gnomeland" but that's what it's slowly becoming. We're looking at major fragmentation of the Linux desktop because desktop teams have and do stop seeing eye to eye on major issues all the time. And because there's no central implementation to keep them working together they're free to do their own thing.

  • Valve Engineer Mike Blumenkrantz Hoping To Accelerate Wayland Protocol Development

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  • We need to keep a balance between security and convenience, to avoid systems becoming too awkward to use. Wayland tipped this balance too far on the side of security. Malicious local exploitation of the graphics stack has never been a big issue; consider the fact that someone or something would need to compromise your own account locally, at which point they could do much worse things than moving your windows around. It's not that the security threat doesn't exist, it's that Wayland has approached it at the wrong end and killed a lot of useful functionality in the process.

    Also consider that this issue has existed for the entire history of desktop graphics on *nix and nobody has ever deemed it worth to destroy automation for it. If it were such a grave security hole surely someone would have raised the alarm and fixed it during all this time.

    My opinion is that Wayland has been using this as a red herring, to bolster its value proposition.

  • Linux middle ground?

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  • Manjaro has no purpose, it's half-assed at being arch and it's half-assed at being stable.

    My experience with Manjaro and Fedora, OpenSUSE etc. contradicts yours. Manjaro has the best balance between stability and rolling out of the box I've seen.

    "Out of the box" is key here. You can tweak any distro into doing anything you want, given enough time and effort. Manjaro achieves a good balance without the user having to do anything. I remind you that I've tested this with non-experienced users and they have no problem using it without any admin skills (or any admin access).

    Debian testing is a rolling.

    It is not.

    AUR isn't a problem in Manjaro because of lack of support, it's a problem because packages there are made with Arch and 99.999% of its derivatives in mind, aka latest packages not one week old still-broken packages.

    And yet I've managed to install dozens of AUR packages just fine. How do you explain that?

    Matter of fact, I've never run into an AUR package I couldn't install on Manjaro. What package is giving you trouble?

    Manjaro literally accidentally DDoSes the AUR every now and then because again they're incompetent.

    You're being confused.

    AUR had very little bandwidth to begin with and could not cope with the rise in popularity of Arch-based distros. That's a problem that needs to be solved by the AUR repo first and foremost. Manjaro did what they could when the problem became apparent and has added caching wherever it could. Both Manjaro and Arch devs have worked together to improve this.

  • How do I pretend to give an app location permission?

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  • May I ask what fake location do you intent to provide? And have you considered that it might invalidate your claims? Like, you say your car had an accident but your location says you're in Antarctica, and they use that to weasel out of coverage.

  • Valve Engineer Mike Blumenkrantz Hoping To Accelerate Wayland Protocol Development

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  • If Wayland is so fragile as to only work with KDE, and is not responsible for anything, how long until it's relegated to a KDE internal subsystem?

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  • It actually is because of Wayland design. In their quest for "security" they've made it impossible for automation and accesibility tools to do their job.

    It's a glaring omission in Wayland going forward, for zero gain. Most of the touted Wayland security advantages are hogwash.

  • All Proton Drive apps are now open source

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  • I believe that rclone already has Proton Drive support.

  • Hacking wizard gets Linux to run on a 1971 processor, though it takes almost 5 days to boot the kernel

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  • We don't know yet, the first frame has been rendering for the last two weeks.

  • Valve Engineer Mike Blumenkrantz Hoping To Accelerate Wayland Protocol Development

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  • Ok but it's not called Kdeland.

  • Valve Engineer Mike Blumenkrantz Hoping To Accelerate Wayland Protocol Development

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  • Or try using any form of desktop automation... which is a show-stopper and it doesn't look like Wayland plans to do anything about it any time soon.

  • Linux middle ground?

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  • There is no other Arch-based distro that strives to achieve a "rolling-stable" release.

    Alternatives like Fedora have already been mentioned by other comments.

    Debian testing is not a rolling release. Its package update strategy is focused on becoming the next stable so the frequency ebbs and flows around stable's release cycle.

    manjaro since it manages to be less stable than Arch specifically because of their update policy

    This is false. Their delayed updates mitigate issues in latest packages. Plasma 6 was released late but it was a lot more usable, for example.

    I mean why even be on Arch if you can't use the AUR and have the latest packages?

    Anybody who wants Arch should use Arch. Manjaro is not Arch.

    Some of us don't want the latest packages the instant they release, we're fine with having them a week or a month late if it means extra stability.

    There's nothing magical about what Manjaro is doing, it stands to reason that if you delay packages even a little some bugs will be fixed.

    Also you can use AUR on Manjaro perfectly fine, I myself have over 100 AUR packages installed. But AUR is not supported even by Arch so it's impossible to offer any guarantees for it.

    There's also Flatpak and some people may prefer that since it's more reliable.

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  • It's been removed in most of the US.