cm0002

Well their horse realtor told them ofc

I thought it was (very) mildly amusing at least LMFAO

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I'm not sure catering to the opinions of random redditors is a useful approach, but that aside.

It was but a mere example

The Lemmy network and the Threadiverse at large being associated as just a Tankie hangout
Which would be solved by creating an instance (or building up an existing instance) that isn't the triad.
In this case Rimu (PieFed dev) and others were quick to jump in and steer, so hopefully this whole boycotting/cross-posting campaign at the very least gives them more fuel when these comments come up on the outside something like “Tankies are there, but they don’t have any important comms so you can just block those 3 instances or join [x] instance which blocks them for you”
Which would also be solved with the same solution.

It could help, but it's not a problem that any one solution is the solution. There's going to be some combination of solutions to actually solve it.

1 sounds like artificially inflating the numbers

Not really, I might have a lot of accounts, but it's still only 1 per instance so it's not really inflating the numbers. Besides most go by monthly active users for gauging the Threadiverse health which because of my pattern I might not even make up 1 MAU lol

2 isn't that useful IMO because without the actual content / ongoing engagement you just end up with multiple ghost communities.

I don't just make them, I do my best to actively contribute to them, like I said I also post "organically sourced" content and not just crossposts for this very reason

3 i think the imposter problem is a user education error and/or could be better solved in a different manner.

Um I'm not sure how that would be a user education error? I'm talking about someone maliciously making an imposter account and posting heinous crap "in their name" But there is currently no technical solution on the Threadiverse afaik for it

4 this is what cross-posting is for right (though I'll admit that experience is lacklustre right now)? You don't need a whole account to cross-post between communities.

Nah crossposts are a solution for a different problem, 4 is for when an instance hasn't federated with another instances remote comm yet and is therefore unknown to the instance

For example, I made this post to my comm at !gunnerkrigg@lemmy.cafe today from this toast.ooo instance I'm on rn

But toast.ooo never federated with that comm so as far as this instance knew !gunnerkrigg@lemmy.cafe didn't exist until I manually went to the comm by URL (toast.ooo/c/gunnerkrigg@lemmy.cafe) and subbed to it

Until then nobody on this instance would have been seeing posts from that comm in their c/all/new/whatever feed, even if a post went "viral". But now they will and for every other comm I sub to as I go

And that process happens a lot on these smaller instances I'm on, some will be missing even major comms like !pcgaming@lemmy.ca or !funny@sh.itjust.works

That's what I mean by helping interconnect smaller instances

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cm0002 @toast.ooo 3mo ago

It's probably something obvious i'm missing, but what is the root problem ?

The Lemmy network and the Threadiverse at large being associated as just a Tankie hangout

For example, this was from a Reddit thread last week I saw when it was just starting to get big:

In this case Rimu (PieFed dev) and others were quick to jump in and steer, so hopefully this whole boycotting/cross-posting campaign at the very least gives them more fuel when these comments come up on the outside something like "Tankies are there, but they don't have any important comms so you can just block those 3 instances or join [x] instance which blocks them for you"

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cm0002 @toast.ooo 3mo ago

Again, i could be wrong here, but it sounds like you're expecting a group of people who have shown no interest in moving on any of their positions to change their minds because you are drawing attention to content and behaviour...that they don't deem to be an issue in the first place.
That sounds like screaming into the void to me, but as i said, i really don't understand the nuances at play.

Injecting activity into non-.ml comms and growing them beyond the .ml version is probably the next best thing to wide defederation.

At least it gives those advocating the Threadiverse on the outside something to say when people inevitably bring up tankies on Lemmy. Makes them less relevant.

Isn't the system expected response to such irreconcilable disagreements to start your own instance (with optional hookers and blackjack), enforce your own rules and regulations there and let people decide which they prefer (if any)?

Kinda, it helps dilute the waters further, but doesn't really solve the root issue

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cm0002 @toast.ooo 3mo ago

BEHOLD BASK IN THE GLORY THAT IS DEBIAN AND REPEAL YOUR BLASPHEMY

https://github.com/mozl3/sd-linux-3ds/wiki/Installing-Debian

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cm0002 @toast.ooo 3mo ago

requires investing in Google devices

It's because Google devices are (ironically) one of the last few manufacturers that allows you to unlock the bootloader and provides mainstream "flagship" specs or foldy phones

If you want to go with an actual privacy focused phone, it requires a compromise somewhere

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cm0002 @toast.ooo 3mo ago

It's mostly correct, and you see exactly that with the other 2 Tankie Triad instances hex and grad. But for Lemmy.ml specifically they're special because

I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left". The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

Which is why I expend the effort instead of just ignoring them like I do hex and grad

Another issue is that because of this special position .ml is in it has been expressed to me in the past by an admin that they and a few other main admins don't want to risk possible support from dessalines if they have the audacity to defed

The multiple accounts aren't for avoiding bans and no account of mine is currently banned (except for the ones I don't control (had a bit of an imposter problem last year)) they're really just for those 4 reasons listrd.

As for user blocks im actually rolling out a blurb on my user profile bios that directs people to a place that lists all active accounts used for this crossposting campaign. I'm pasting it in on accounts I start posting from as I go.

cm0002 @toast.ooo 3mo ago

I post a lot of organic sourced content too (this very post is one of them lmao), some are just not happy with my stance against lemmy.ml and my cross-posting/boycotting of them:

Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to help vitilize non-.ml comms and make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some active niche comms.
Megathread on the issue
Some highlights from the link:
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left". The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

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cm0002 @toast.ooo 3mo ago

Reasons for multiple accounts

Promoting smaller instances, because of the volume of my posting it helps makes smaller instances more recognizable
Making comms on fitting smaller instances (e.g. a programming comm id make on programming.dev)
Mitigating against the imposter problem
Better interconnecting smaller instances

Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to help vitilize non-.ml comms and make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some active niche comms.
Megathread on the issue
Some highlights from the link:
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left". The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

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cm0002 @toast.ooo 3mo ago

Those bastards!

They've got mine too! WTF

cm0002 @toast.ooo 3mo ago

A respectful end to an online disagreement‽

Lol, but just for the record I do tag usernames when it's OC if I can tell it is for this, if you see others in the future that IS OC that I missed tagging you can just leave a comment on that and I'll fix it, no need for a link :)

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cm0002 @toast.ooo 3mo ago

It's not their meme though, it's watermarked at the end with some social called "[Witty University]"

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cm0002 @toast.ooo 3mo ago

Don't link to or participate on Lemmy.ml, join the boycott today!

Cross-posted as part of ongoing boycotting/protest efforts to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to help vitilize and drive non-.ml comms and make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because of the behavior and attitudes of the .ml instance admins (see megathread link above)

Some highlights from the link:

"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, main .ml admin, head dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, main .ml admin, head dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
Showing support for Ukraine on .ml is worthy of a site ban - dessalines, main .ml admin, head dev https://lemmy.world/post/32775563
Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558

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cm0002 @toast.ooo 4mo ago

So if someone says they're a cat person then it must be a really great accomplishment lmao

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cm0002 @toast.ooo 5mo ago

WHO THE FUCK TOLD YOU‽ Fucking damnit, it was fucking Larry wasn't it‽