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  • to me this is the same as good hip-hop versus people who just rap random shit over premade hip-hop beats. It’s “art” but its just no high quality

    I still don’t think it’s the same, even the guy who rapped random shit over someone else’s beat put MUCH more effort and input into the “song” than the random prompt guy.

    The line gets blurry when you talk about stuff like Duchamp’s readymades, which are considered “art” by a reasoning that you could easily apply to the prompt guy song too. Just goes to show how literally everyone has a different definition of “art”, and even a single person’s definition might be contradictory in itself.

    One thing I wonder is if you make a recommendation system that generates new music purely based on what previous music you liked (That was also generated by AI) who is the artist? Think like spotify but the AI keeps creating new music based on what you like from it. In the end I feel you are the artist of that song then no? Your recommendations then created whatever final song you listened to.

    Ehh… that’s just an indirect commission. For example, the Prince of Wales in 1876 was gifted by the Maharaja of Jaipur some british usage items crafted by the city’s artisans that were specifically made as a gift to him. But the “artist” in this situation is not the prince whose taste was tailored to, nor the Maharaja who commissioned them, it’s still the individual artisans.

    In the case of the algorithm-made song, you basically “commissioned” to it a song made for your tastes, and it “gifted” it to you. But it’s still the algorithm who “made” it, not you. And personally, unless you take it and consciously edit/remix it in some way, I wouldn’t label it as “art”. But again, it’s a blurry subject and that’s just my opinion.

  • All forms of human production carry some artistic value, we simply value things where the production process feels less alienated than others (Carpentry vs factory work)

    And we agree on that, I think most people do. What they don’t agree on is what qualifies a “human production”. Or, to which degree does a human have to get involved in a production for that to be considered “human”.

    I think there’s a gigantic difference between someone composing a song and writing its lyrics, then pasting it into an AI and having it sing it (basically Vocaloid), and a guy going onto Suno, writing “make me a pop song”, and taking the first output. And they shouldn’t be treated the same way.

  • I think there’s a place for AI in music, just like sampling, and it has to be regulated, but not straight-up banned (or regulated in a muddy way like “substantially made by AI”).

    It doesn’t help that everyone has their own personal opinion on how much AI should be allowed, though, and we’re never gonna reach a solution that everyone agrees on.

  • Oh, good to know, thanks!

  • I’m not saying every Japanese person still on there is unaware of that, but the general coverage is MUCH smaller than what you get if you’re in English-speaking spaces.

    I also heavily doubt someone of korean origins like Boichi is a Sanseito supporter, but that’s just my guess.

  • Unfortunately, the two “big names” I know of (Boichi and Kei Urana) are both going to Instagram.

    EDIT: it seems at least Kei Urana is on Bluesky too

  • I think all the uproar is about new Grok functions that allow you to edit with AI and repost (aka distribute) images directly from within Xitter (I’m not sure that this is the case but I’m definitely not going to log in that thing to verify that).

  • Ehh… it’s one of the biggest platforms in Japan, and if it starts pissing off that fanbase it’s not a good look. Definitely won’t “die” either, but it might be a considerable hit (and hopefully boost for the Fediverse, or at least Bluesky).

  • Absolute facts. Also it’s one thing when it’s fanartists which just do that as a past time, but actual artists should have a dedicated team and it really shouldn’t be hard to crosspost on multiple platforms, should it…?

    It’s just free visibility that they’re ignoring, definitely a huge head scratcher.

  • Generally in Japan they don’t see much of Elon’s “prowesses”, so I can kinda understand why artists like him might not have caught wind of the Nazi direction the platform has taken until it actually hit them.

    And yes, Ignorantia non excusat, but it’s still something, at least.

  • Yes, unfortunately Boichi is leaving… for Instagram.

    But hopefully this is at least a wake-up call for some artists that they should really consider leaving for platforms with “less malicious intentions”. Maybe one day someone as big as him will decide to go fediverse, we can only hope.

  • I could reply to this using the exact same reasoning, but with arguments switched.

    “Yes, it’s important to understand that Russia does not actually have any homegrown problem with nazis, and certainly needs our support in the war. The issue is Ukraine; Ukraine which has been given too much support. The best thing to do for leftists worldwide is supporting Russia in their war against nazis.”

    “Exactly; the fact that the US have a homegrown problem with right wing extremism means that it is by definition impossible for other countries to manipulate it, exacerbate it, or even be its primary cause. They are diametrically opposed.”

    Do you disagree with the arguments that:

    -There’s definitely more nazis in Russia than in Ukraine, therefore supporting Russia because Ukraine has a “nazi problem” makes no sense

    and

    -Foreign countries could’ve caught wind of the right wing extremism starting to rise in the US and therefore decided to exploit it through foreign actors, propping it into mainstream political discourse, making both things true?

    Because that’s what was being argued.

  • Just the modlog being public allows for way more accountability and pointing out PTBs.

  • As for Ishii: “Social media was being social media” sums up how much you care on that front.

    I didn’t minimize what happened. I just asked if Sucker Punch had any role in that since I wouldn’t boycott a game just because there’s assholes in its fanbase.

  • Sucker Punch fired one of their senior devs for a mario and luigi joke when kirk got got. EVERYONE was angry, the studio heads came out to say they stand by their decision, and plenty of people were keyed in to the hell that Erika Ishii has had to put up with on social media for daring to portray a female character in a video game.

    (I didn’t know about any of this before this comment so apologize if I’m misinterpreting)

    From what I read though, there were A LOT of angry people even because of the joke, weren’t there? I’m guessing they had to take a stance and went with the “killing is bad” to not get too politically involved. Which is still a coward move, but personally not something I’d boycott a game over.

    What happened with Erika Ishii? Social media was being social media and I know that, but did Sucker Punch themselves do anything to contribute to that?

  • Was this meant to be a reply to a comment? Because it currently shows as a top-level one

  • Different people, probably. And a company can change a lot in 7 years (in recent times, usually not for the better).

  • Whoops, saw the edit late.

    Edit: or maybe a better question would be why would anyone in a position to have Kojima arrested care about the opinion of Turkish nationalists?

    I’m guessing it’s just Turkish journalists wanting to make the issue bigger than it actually is. There’s no chance Kojima would be arrested over a photo, and Zero even mocked the idea in his response.

  • The biggest irony is that they know, and they used her as a “gotcha” saying “Kojima was criticizing child soldiers with her character and now is supporting the PKK!” …without considering that he was also criticizing something much wider.